Is the Camaro holding out at the top?

Aragorn · 06-08-2019, 11:47 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g9CJ5yCtmZ8

arpad_m · 06-08-2019, 12:05 PM

It's the aftermarket wickerbill and/or the Camaro driver holding back at the top end.

Mosaic6SS · 06-08-2019, 12:12 PM

I had a GT before they went with the DI/PI setup the have now. It was rated at 435hp I think. I feel the difference with this 455/455 LT1 setup and I prefer the low end mid range torque of the SS over the GT. I hated the feel as if no one was home until about 4K rpm in the GT. However once it got there, it was pretty impressive taking it to just over 7000rpm in the GT. These cars are setup differently and it depends on how u use your car. I do like high rpm setups and wish GM would take the LT1 to 7k. I think a few limitations are AFM internals and the fuel efficiency standards. So for me the answer is yes it holds back just a little on the top end. But based on the video it’s hard to say could have been the driver.

LT4Greg · 06-08-2019, 12:15 PM

I would say that the gearing has something to do with the Mustang getting the SS on top end but it’s hard to say if the driver of the SS was holding back the way I see it! The SS has 3.73 gears and I don’t know what comes in the Mustang and that’s why the Camaro got him out of the hole but he caught the SS on the top end. And of course 4 cams vs one males a difference too for higher rpms when racing. Ford always seems to have more hp than Chevy and I don’t know why Chevy didn’t up the hp on the Camaro to make it more competitive with the Mustang. I guess that’s what the ZL1 is for.

Aragorn · 06-08-2019, 12:34 PM

Yes, prob dohc on the gt and the camaro driver holding back, but the gt driver’s reaction made me want to puke.

LT4Greg · 06-08-2019, 01:33 PM

Yeah he was acting like a little kid talking about beating the Camaro. I guess his head was as big as his Mustang! Haha...

KarFan · 06-08-2019, 02:05 PM

These races are just as much about the drivers as they are about the cars for better or worse.

hotlap · 06-09-2019, 08:08 AM

We’ve seen this before with the Motor Trend H2H and the recent Throttle House.

In the H2H, given one mile and 150 mph, the GT beats the Camaro from a dig 30 out of 30 times.

In Throttle House, the GT lost in the 1/4 but the driver could feel it starting to pull. “a half mile is all I need” ... reply ....“you don’t have a half mile”

The GT is weak down low where the Camaro is strong. The GT likes to rev (DOHC) and given room, will pull.

Roll racing?

who gets the drop, and the venue, minimized the Camaro’s strength and the GT’s weakness. In a 1/4, the SS M6 will beat the GT M6 every time by several car lengths. ...with equal drivers

Where do you drive?

Time mark 3:50

lt4camaro · 06-09-2019, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g9CJ5yCtmZ8

If there is any device that creates down force, there is a top speed loss.

z28pat · 06-09-2019, 10:26 AM

It’s the limitations of a pushrod ohv engine , it’s not gonna beat a dohc up top. The lt1 isn’t pushing to 7k like the 5.0 is.
But then the camaro will have torque down low unlike the mustang , so pick your poison.
I’m happy with my torquey camaro.

MaxxRPM · 06-09-2019, 12:04 PM

I think most of that video was driver. I think around 120ish the Mustang will start pulling on the Camaro but it's a creep by and not as drastic as this video shows. Plus I might add that the Camaro still has a higher over all top speed.

MackSteelPrivateEye · 06-10-2019, 02:29 PM

The SS will need more top end oomph

for 2020. Not sure what speeds they were at though.

MackSteelPrivateEye · 06-10-2019, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosaic6SS

I had a GT before they went with the DI/PI setup the have now. It was rated at 435hp I think. I feel the difference with this 455/455 LT1 setup and I prefer the low end mid range torque of the SS over the GT. I hated the feel as if no one was home until about 4K rpm in the GT. However once it got there, it was pretty impressive taking it to just over 7000rpm in the GT. These cars are setup differently and it depends on how u use your car. I do like high rpm setups and wish GM would take the LT1 to 7k. I think a few limitations are AFM internals and the fuel efficiency standards. So for me the answer is yes it holds back just a little on the top end. But based on the video it’s hard to say could have been the driver.

Can't go to 7000k in the Pushrod. They will need to go to DOHC. But the top heavy engine would be physically and effect handling.

nicktechla · 06-10-2019, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MackSteelPrivateEye

Can't go to 7000k in the Pushrod. They will need to go to DOHC. But the top heavy engine would be physically and effect handling.

I don't think the coyote 5.0 is really that much heavier, it's all aluminum.

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06-08-2019, 12:15 PM	#4
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,869	I would say that the gearing has something to do with the Mustang getting the SS on top end but it’s hard to say if the driver of the SS was holding back the way I see it! The SS has 3.73 gears and I don’t know what comes in the Mustang and that’s why the Camaro got him out of the hole but he caught the SS on the top end. And of course 4 cams vs one males a difference too for higher rpms when racing. Ford always seems to have more hp than Chevy and I don’t know why Chevy didn’t up the hp on the Camaro to make it more competitive with the Mustang. I guess that’s what the ZL1 is for. __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

06-08-2019, 01:33 PM	#6
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,869	Yeah he was acting like a little kid talking about beating the Camaro. I guess his head was as big as his Mustang! Haha... __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

06-09-2019, 08:08 AM	#8
hotlap Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Franklin WI Posts: 6,634	We’ve seen this before with the Motor Trend H2H and the recent Throttle House. In the H2H, given one mile and 150 mph, the GT beats the Camaro from a dig 30 out of 30 times. In Throttle House, the GT lost in the 1/4 but the driver could feel it starting to pull. “a half mile is all I need” ... reply ....“you don’t have a half mile” The GT is weak down low where the Camaro is strong. The GT likes to rev (DOHC) and given room, will pull. Roll racing? who gets the drop, and the venue, minimized the Camaro’s strength and the GT’s weakness. In a 1/4, the SS M6 will beat the GT M6 every time by several car lengths. ...with equal drivers Where do you drive? Time mark 3:50 __________________ "the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan - Last edited by hotlap; 06-09-2019 at 05:15 PM.

06-08-2019, 12:12 PM	#3
Mosaic6SS Drives: Camaro Join Date: May 2019 Location: Earth Posts: 81	I had a GT before they went with the DI/PI setup the have now. It was rated at 435hp I think. I feel the difference with this 455/455 LT1 setup and I prefer the low end mid range torque of the SS over the GT. I hated the feel as if no one was home until about 4K rpm in the GT. However once it got there, it was pretty impressive taking it to just over 7000rpm in the GT. These cars are setup differently and it depends on how u use your car. I do like high rpm setups and wish GM would take the LT1 to 7k. I think a few limitations are AFM internals and the fuel efficiency standards. So for me the answer is yes it holds back just a little on the top end. But based on the video it’s hard to say could have been the driver.

06-08-2019, 12:34 PM	#5
Aragorn Account Suspended Drives: Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,538	Yes, prob dohc on the gt and the camaro driver holding back, but the gt driver’s reaction made me want to puke.

06-08-2019, 02:05 PM	#7
KarFan Drives: 2023 SGM Camaro 2SS 1LE 6M Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 583	These races are just as much about the drivers as they are about the cars for better or worse.

06-09-2019, 10:26 AM	#10
z28pat Drives: 2002 z28, 2018 2ss 1LE Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Parrish, Florida Posts: 861	It’s the limitations of a pushrod ohv engine , it’s not gonna beat a dohc up top. The lt1 isn’t pushing to 7k like the 5.0 is. But then the camaro will have torque down low unlike the mustang , so pick your poison. I’m happy with my torquey camaro.

06-09-2019, 12:04 PM	#11
MaxxRPM Drives: 2016 Camaro NFG 1SS A8 Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: St. Louis Posts: 83	I think most of that video was driver. I think around 120ish the Mustang will start pulling on the Camaro but it's a creep by and not as drastic as this video shows. Plus I might add that the Camaro still has a higher over all top speed.

06-10-2019, 02:29 PM	#12
MackSteelPrivateEye Banned Drives: 6 on the Flo' Super Sport Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: md Posts: 1,924	The SS will need more top end oomph for 2020. Not sure what speeds they were at though.

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