[Cam1977]

Originally Posted by Memphis SS

True, the forum does represent a minority of the owners but GM got a lot more negative feedback from car reviews and shows like SEMA to change the design again. They don’t retool a front end just because of a forum.

I read the reviews and undeestand that forums wouldnt dictate what GM would do. At least for me a lot of folks blow the 19 look way out of proportion as if it ruined their lives. The 6th gen when it came out looked too much like the 5th, and now the refresh at least is taking it a bit in a different direction, though it proved unpopular to many. You cant make everyone happy.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by Luis19SS

I agree that the chrome throws it off. I grew to love the bowtie after I painted it black

That looks really good!


I was one of the few that really liked the front of transformers 5 camaro if they toned down just a little (revealed back in spring of 2016 i think). Back then, most didn't like the TF5 car, but no one seemed to be put off specifically by the bow tie and blacked grill.


The TF5 car also had a yellow bow tie more of a match to the body color. I've wondered how the 2019 bow tie would work matched to the body color.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by lawguy85

Lol, literally nothing to do with the thread at hand. Some dude said he liked ‘19s better than ‘20s, aesthetically. Whatever, his opinion. A butthurt ‘19 owner spilled his pain, called everyone who didn’t like it crybabies, and said it’s a “minority on this forum”. I cited automotive press, new and old, pointing out the obvious, it looks terrible, and a poll showing 93%+ don’t think the ‘19 looks better and your counter is...sales.

Hmm, could it be the Mustang got better? That they’re running crazy incentives on the Challenger? That cars and muscle car sales are down as a whole? Nah, just that the 6th gen suddenly became ugly, and this refresh was so great that GM stopped making it after one year and cited “listening to customers” in their press release. I guess it was just too beautiful to continue making...

You wanted to hear an excuse for that lame poll you showed and i gave it . The fact is the 6th gen needed a miracle refresh from the years of poor sales and it couldn't be delivered . The redo refresh is no better in my eyes and won't save the 6th gen because it won't change the problems that were designed into it from the start.

[lawguy85]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

You wanted to hear an excuse for that lame poll you showed and i gave it . The fact is the 6th gen needed a miracle refresh from the years of poor sales and it couldn't be delivered . The redo refresh is no better in my eyes and won't save the 6th gen because it won't change the problems that were designed into it from the start.

So you were intentionally obtuse and off topic, so much better...

[Hops]

Originally Posted by lawguy85

Hmm, could it be the Mustang got better? That they’re running crazy incentives on the Challenger? That cars and muscle car sales are down as a whole? Nah, just that the 6th gen suddenly became ugly, and this refresh was so great that GM stopped making it after one year and cited “listening to customers” in their press release. I guess it was just too beautiful to continue making...

What is you point here? ... i'm asking in all earnestness, i don't get it.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Cam1977

I read the reviews and undeestand that forums wouldnt dictate what GM would do. At least for me a lot of folks blow the 19 look way out of proportion as if it ruined their lives. The 6th gen when it came out looked too much like the 5th, and now the refresh at least is taking it a bit in a different direction, though it proved unpopular to many. You cant make everyone happy.

You know the funny thing is they didn't address the biggest complaint made by magazines and would be buyers being you can't see out of it ,then GM plays it safe by keeping tight to the looks of the 5th gen but make its smaller ,and they raise the price , there is no don't why the 6th gen didn't sell. When the 7th gen comes out people will be crying it don't look enough like Camaro .

[Cam1977]

@lawguy85 so what is the point you wanna prove, that you dont like the 19, that its ugly...so what...go ahead pat yourself on the back and move on, I doubt owners of the 19 are gonna seek help because some guy on a forum doesnt like the front fascia of a car he didnt pay for.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by lawguy85

So you were intentionally obtuse and off topic, so much better...

Don't ask if you don't want an answer.

[Cam1977]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

You know the funny thing is they didn't address the biggest complaint made by magazines and would be buyers being you can't see out of it ,then GM plays it safe by keeping tight to the looks of the 5th gen but make its smaller ,and they raise the price , there is no don't why the 6th gen didn't sell. When the 7th gen comes out people will be crying it don't look enough like Camaro .

Agreed, visibility is simply terrible on these and wish gm would have adressed that first..but price has been a problem with this gen for sure.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by Cam1977

@hops so what is the point you wanna prove, that you dont like the 19, that its ugly...so what...go ahead pat yourself on the back and move on, I doubt owners of the 19 are gonna seek help because some guy on a forum doesnt like the front fascia of a car he didnt pay for.

What? I like the 2019 I ordered one #WWJKQ3, it’s being built this week! Finally!

Oh I see just a mistake...

[Cam1977]

@Hops apologies i edited my post! Oh and congrats on your purchase...im loving my 19...i know i know going against the grain is terrible around these parts!

[lawguy85]

Originally Posted by Hops

What is you point here? ... i'm asking in all earnestness, i don't get it.

Argument: refresh was good because sales were down.

Counterpoints:
-Competition got better: Mustang got 10 speed, hp bump, auto in performance pack, digital cluster, etc., Camaro stagnated.
-Competition got easier to attain: FCA has been offering aggressive financing, longer terms, cheap leases making Challengers more affordable than Camaro.
-Cars are down as a segment: yes Camaro sales tank, passenger cars as a segment and muscle cars as a sub segment have fallen off a cliff. So a declarative statement that “Camaro sales are down” is completely ignorant of market trends
-New ugly =\= improvement: even if the argument was Chevy needed to attract new buyers, simply redesigning for the sake of new at the expense of aesthetics is a poor business model. That’s evident by the immediate change. So that’s a horrible point that low sales are somehow indicative of design attractiveness.

Work better itemized?

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by Cam1977

I read the reviews and undeestand that forums wouldnt dictate what GM would do. At least for me a lot of folks blow the 19 look way out of proportion as if it ruined their lives. The 6th gen when it came out looked too much like the 5th, and now the refresh at least is taking it a bit in a different direction, though it proved unpopular to many. You cant make everyone happy.

I agree, you're never going to make everyone happy but you better make enough people happy to meet sales quota and at least get some positive feedback in the auto world, that didn't happen with the refresh. Just look at the reviews and falling sales. I think that tells the story.

The comments you're referring to about ruining their lives is not even close to the Auto magazine reviews, see below.

"Chevy Fixed the Camaro SS's Face" - Road & Track
"The 2020 Chevrolet Camaro Is Less Ugly" - Car & Driver
"Chevy Fixes Camaro's Ugly Front End For 2020" - Carbuzz
"2020 Chevy Camaro SS gets emergency facelift" - Autoblog
"CHEVY HAS HEARD YOUR COLLECTIVE GAGGING, INTRODUCES FACE-LIFTED 2020 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS" - Motortrend
"2020 Camaro SS Gets Design Changes Following Negative Feedback" - GM Authority
"The 2020 Chevrolet Camaro SS Update Finally Fixes That Awful Nose Job" - The Drive

[rontammy0]

You don't see this many refresh attempts on models selling well. Say what you want but when Dodge takes over second place ahead of the Camaro....that's going to set off alarm bells at GM. Mustangs and Challengers are just more appealing looks wise to people then the Camaro. Chevrolet has realized something Dodge already knew....when you have a design that's well recieved by the people that buy your brand..leave it alone.