[18LTLoveIt]

May 2nd Chevy announced Sema front end for 2020, standard. Woo Hoo!

[RealG]

Great thread,
Look at all the predictions that were 100% wrong. Its like watching CNN. And like CNN all the people that were wrong already forgot it and moved on to spread more fake news. LOL

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by RealG

Great thread,
Look at all the predictions that were 100% wrong. Its like watching CNN. And like CNN all the people that were wrong already forgot it and moved on to spread more fake news. LOL

I don't think you're reading the same thread I am. Lets review (I skipped a couple because they didn't have anything falsifiable that I noticed):

Originally Posted by 18LTLoveIt

Wishful thinking I presume. At least for 2019 should stay the same.

18LTLoveIt was right. It was wishful thinking to think that the 2019s would get a change.

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

I never heard Chevy say anything about a change in production . The misinformation highway strikes again.

Gen6_1Le was also right in that Chevy never said anything about changing production on the '19s.

Originally Posted by gringo

The tooling for the bowtie front bumper is already made and in production. Nothing is going to change that for a few years.

If this was the 1950's/1960's, I could see a refresh after one model year. These days, 2-3 years minimum if that.

gringo was right that the tooling was already made & that isn't going to change for several since they are obligated to continue making replacement parts for several years.


He was also right that changing things after 1 model year was pretty common in the 50s and 60s. And he was mostly right in saying that the minimum period for refreshes today is 2 to 3 years. Thats right the vast majority of the time, but there are rare exceptions. Probably averaging less than 1 per year over the last decade or two.

Originally Posted by kweevuss

After being at the Detroit Auto show this weekend I was surprised that the updated grill one being on the show floor. I was wondering if they were now offering this as an option but I guess not. I did not see any mention that it was the SEMA car or anything, it was like they were trying to pass it off as the 2019 Camaro SS

I didn't attend the Detroit auto show, so I can't confirm, but anything that isn't opinion/speculation feels true to me.

Originally Posted by Camaro_QC

My guess is that if they see that they can sell more car with that little modification, they will easily rework the tooling to make it happen. especially after showing it up like that.

This is just common-sense business practice, to take the course of action that is most profitable. So he is probably right in guessing that this is how GM looks at things. But, RealG, if you have any evidence to the contrary showing this to be 'fake news' and '100% wrong' please enlighten us.

Originally Posted by JCunningham

they're not going to change it mid model year or people might get pissed. Hopefully 2020 will get the bowtie in the grill.

JCunningham was 100% correct. Granted, that is partly due to the fact that it is impossible to please everybody with any action. But the didn't change it mid-model year, and the bowtie was moved where he hoped they'd do it in the model year he cited. Hard to do any better than that.

Originally Posted by Realist

That’s what I’m thinking and would be a wise move by Chevy. “The 2020 Camaro SS rerefresh”. Nothing wrong with admitting to mistakes.

Realist is also right. The reactions to the '2020 rerefresh' (btw, good one on that ... sounds like something I'd call it) seem to bear out this being a wise move, and the company implicitly admitting a mistake by doing so -and that there is nothing wrong with admitting mistakes.

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

It needs to at least become an option, which is what I think may happen, while the SS front that we have now would remain standard. Surely that will happen. Otherwise, there is zero point of them doing these colored bumpers.

KMPrenger was correct in thinking that the Sema style front end would be optional at a minimum. GM went beyond that. He was wrong thinking that the SS front end would remain standard as it was.

Originally Posted by RealG

Great topic , I’ve been looking for a re-designed SS based on when I had read around here and have not been able to find it as well. I’m waiting for 2020 to see if they do a refresh or option or something.

RealG, only you can know if the first half of your post is true. But assuming it is, it looks like you were right to wait as they did do a refresh (or an option or something)

Originally Posted by kropscamaro16

it was a concept car they did it on no idea if they will ever make it like that

kropscamaro16 was right as well. It was done on a concept car, and we had no idea if GM would ever make it like that.

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Yes indeed, and the 2019's just suck more and more in low sales. Chevy screwed up big time, all they had to do was create a different and better looking combo than the already good looking 16, 17 , 18, make them all little less expensive to make them competitive with Mustang, put the 10 speed in all the models as the automatic trans option(like mustang did) and give the SS a hp boost close to 500. Camaro would sure be outselling at least the challenger IMO.

lt4camaro was partially right. Sales of the 19s are low. Looks are probably part of that, as is price. GM is working on both those things. They've also put the 10 speed into the V6 (but not everything). And the SS didn't get a power boost. We have no way of knowing if doing all that would allow it to surpass the Challenger in sales or not.



So, RealG, lt4camaro is maybe 50% right overall (40% wrong, 10% unknowable). Him and KMPrenger were about the worst at predicting what should/will happen. And they were still far from being '100% wrong', which you claimed was common in this thread. In fact, the one post that is most incorrect was this one:

Originally Posted by RealG

Great thread,
Look at all the predictions that were 100% wrong. Its like watching CNN. And like CNN all the people that were wrong already forgot it and moved on to spread more fake news. LOL

No prediction was 100% wrong. Its not like CNN because it was speculation, not news. They couldn't have forgotten they were wrong, because they generally weren't (and CNN is mostly right as well). Lastly, the only one spreading fake news here is you. News, because you're talking about what is supposed to have happened (that, broadly, is what news is: things that have happened -as opposed to prediction/speculation/opinion which is not news). And fake, because it didn't actually happen. That makes it fake, or false, or fabricated, or umpteen other words that don't begin with 'F'.

[RealG]

You’re right, we live in two different worlds. When someone says “the tooling is already made there will be no changes for 2020” And then there is changes for 2020 you’re right that’s my fault for pointing it out. Again just like CNN they blame the person that points out there fake news and faulty thinking. If you really believe that people on the Internet read this thread and did not come away with the predictions that Chevy was not going to make any changes for 2020 you really are a CNN watcher. The fact of the matter is I was on the right side of history in all my threads I was hoping/thinking that Chevrolet would do a low-cost V8 and they would update the front end and got flamed ! in the end I was right they did both. I can live with that.

[LT4Greg]

I guess the Chevrolet Camaro team were the only ones to know for sure about the 2020s!