[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

11.83. But they don't count that time because it was some guy named Evan who they think tried harder with the Mustang, or something.

We don't count that because Evan's run was shady as hell and it wasn't official...it was for MM&FF which is a magazine that has many times showcased articles on how to cheat, hide mods including nitrous, and use every conniving way to get a specific time out of your car. I was a subscriber to that mag for many years and I know all of their tricks on how to drop ETs without anyone knowing you modded the car. Which is suspicious how his run is the fastest one...

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Even funnier is that Evan was the LS hero for years but I’ll throw that one out because he let air out of the tires

Go take that up with the LS boys who were his fans back then or whatever. Not one of us knew him back then or were even around here discussing any of this at that time. The only place I knew him from was MM&FF which is one of the most shadiest and lyingest magazines around. You can build any car exactly like they claim to do and trust me you will not get anywhere close to the results they claim they get. But all their sponsors will enjoy the money you send them.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

It must be a tough pill to swallow that their PP1 480hp M6 Bullitt ran a 12.9. Then see the GT* lose to Kia during a review on an unprepped surface 3 consecutive times. Or hear comments like these:

WE DON'T LIKE How it handles, price-value equation

On the winding track, the Mustangs fell apart with poor body control and a rear end that has a mind of its own. As Angus MacKenzie puts it, "both [the Bullitt] and the convertible feel clumsy with heavy-handed nanny interventions when driven hard.
Although the Bullitt is engineered as a back-road blaster, "the ride on this car is just so awful," Christian Seabaugh said. "It's choppy and rough, even on perfectly smooth pavement."

Ouch.

That does hurt, most likely they had one without MagneRide. Or, based on the measly 12.9 1/4 mile and these other issues, something else could have been wrong with this car that they weren't aware of. Thus, I counter your quote with a Road and Track quote on the Bullitt:

"The optional Magnetic Ride suspension is, in my opinion, a must. I thought it was standard until I arrived at dinner and some of the other journalists started complaining about the car’s handling. “Bouncy rear end,” was thrown around a lot, alongside grumblings of poor body control and live axle-like behavior. I thought I had lost my touch, or my mind, as the body control was excellent in the cars I drove. I even spent about 20 minutes gushing about how well the car was handling the uneven canyon terrain around the Nocasio Reservoir. Turns out I had Mag Ride, and they didn’t. For track work, in all but the hottest conditions, Magnetic Ride and Ford Racing Sport Springs will be a winning combination, whereas the stock springs are great if you regularly drive on bumpy or uneven roads."

My car is a 2018 GT*, as you all have started calling it. It is a GT Premium, PP1, A10, and has MagneRide (and the safe/smart package but that's not performance related but was a selling point). So this is what I know. A pretty well handling car on the street, with very good acceleration, that looks darn good IMO. I didn't drive one without MagneRide so I can't compare otherwise.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ok here are some facts.

Fact 1 - You are very disrespectful. If you have something to say about the Camaro. Then go right ahead. But you have no right to disrespect any of us. In fact, every time a thread gets thrown off course it is because one of you Mustang guys decides to start talking shit about us. Pot meet kettle. Although I have nothing negative to say about the Camaro, I just stick to the facts

Fact 2 - For all the years that the Mustang lagged behind every other Muscle car, for all the heavy modifications Ford had to make to the GT with help from GM, for needing 3 years to catch up, for needing an extra trim level to match the SLE, and for the price, the GT is nowhere near where it should be. It should be destroying the SS. And at it's best, with a major part of it that was co-designed by Chevy, and with every option needed and on the best track in the country with pro-level drivers in the most optimal conditions, it merely is a driver's race.that’s an awful lot of yammering just to avoid admitting that the GT* is .3 faster than an SS in automotive reviewers testing.

Fact 3 - The PP2 overheats. The SS 1LE doesn't and neither do any of the 1LEs or non-1LEs for that matter. True but irrelevant to the discussion.

Fact 4 - The Bullit for all it's 480 HP glory cannot beat the 455 HP M6 SS. True but also irrelevant, have you ever seen a Bullitt in person?

Fact 5 - After 6 years of development and well over 50 more HP the GT500 is not going to beat the ZLE and that is even if it can beat the ZL1 around a track. Let’s wait for the tests before we declare victory.

Fact 6 - There will be a 7th Gen Camaro for 2022. Nobody knows if there will be a S650, S550, or whatever from the Frod camp in 2022. Have you seen a 2022 Camaro prototype? Maybe you should share your insider info with the rest of the automotive world. It’s highly probably there will be a 2022 Mustang either on S550 or S650.

Fact 7 - Not every GT will do a low 12. EVERY SS will do a low 12.Every combination of A10 GT has been tested to run low 12’s , tge M6 GT has run a 12.4 so you’re statement is technically correct although you’re assertion that a non PP A10 won’t run low a 12 has been proven false.

How's that for "LaLa land" champ??

It’s a hoot , Sporto.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

It’s a hoot , Sporto.

Yea I'm not reading blue shit pasted in replys. Try again. Or don't. Nobody cares.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yea I'm not reading blue shit pasted in replys. Try again. Or don't. Nobody cares.

You read every word, don’t reply... nobody cares.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

That does hurt, most likely they had one without MagneRide. Or, based on the measly 12.9 1/4 mile and these other issues, something else could have been wrong with this car that they weren't aware of. Thus, I counter your quote with a Road and Track quote on the Bullitt:

"The optional Magnetic Ride suspension is, in my opinion, a must. I thought it was standard until I arrived at dinner and some of the other journalists started complaining about the car’s handling. “Bouncy rear end,” was thrown around a lot, alongside grumblings of poor body control and live axle-like behavior. I thought I had lost my touch, or my mind, as the body control was excellent in the cars I drove. I even spent about 20 minutes gushing about how well the car was handling the uneven canyon terrain around the Nocasio Reservoir. Turns out I had Mag Ride, and they didn’t. For track work, in all but the hottest conditions, Magnetic Ride and Ford Racing Sport Springs will be a winning combination, whereas the stock springs are great if you regularly drive on bumpy or uneven roads."

My car is a 2018 GT*, as you all have started calling it. It is a GT Premium, PP1, A10, and has MagneRide (and the safe/smart package but that's not performance related but was a selling point). So this is what I know. A pretty well handling car on the street, with very good acceleration, that looks darn good IMO. I didn't drive one without MagneRide so I can't compare otherwise.

The Bullitt they tested was 51xxx. That is the MSRP of the Bullitt with both its options the electronic package and MRC.

I have driven the Mustang with MRC and without. My SS has MRC as well. Even with MRC the Mustang does not handle being driven hard well at all in my opinion. On the street my non MRC Mustang was ok. On track it sucked. Compared to my Camaro it was horrible. The damping I don't think is the problem. The chassis flexes and shakes and while I didn't notice it before I owned my Camaro I definitely notice it now when I drive a Mustang.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

You read every word, don’t reply... nobody cares.

Yea I'm not one to ignore or walk away from something I read and disagree with. I haven't done it yet. So you can either reply back the normal way or not. Or keep imagining I read it. Whatever.

[Ethanolic]

Yeah, aight whatever.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The Bullitt they tested was 51xxx. That is the MSRP of the Bullitt with both its options the electronic package and MRC.

I have driven the Mustang with MRC and without. My SS has MRC as well. Even with MRC the Mustang does not handle being driven hard well at all in my opinion. On the street my non MRC Mustang was ok. On track it sucked. Compared to my Camaro it was horrible. The damping I don't think is the problem. The chassis flexes and shakes and while I didn't notice it before I owned my Camaro I definitely notice it now when I drive a Mustang.

I do not doubt that the Bullitt was only capable of a high 12. Mustang results have a high variance depending on the track, driver, and options as we all know. I think it could have done a 12.5 if all variables that it needed were in place. But that's about it. Regardless of how much extra HP it has over the GT it is still suffering from the lack of power down low. It might suffer even more if it has the GT350 IM considering that IM favors top end HP. So I can see it being slower than the M6 GT in some cases. And it isn't quite PP2 nor PP1 so I don't think it'll be much of a cornering monster either. Probably more of a spirited drive to work on the weekends kinda thing. So again, another example of a Mustang that costs more than other trim Mustangs and cheaper Camaros but gets outperformed by them. Nothing new.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by hotlap

How about a guy named Dell Blackhorse Jr?

So in great air the Camaro is just as fast (in this case faster) than the GT*. Its been a rough day for those guys.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Even funnier is that Evan was the LS hero for years but I’ll throw that one out because he let air out of the tires

Evan has always been shady. None of his runs then were reproducible and they still aren't. What's funny is we all know this. His "magic" runs sell magazines and aftermarket parts for Mustang people. He is a magazine marketing tool nothing more.

I dont personally credit the GT* with an 11.83 for the same reason I'm not calling the SS an 11.7x car. The conditions for those runs were not normalized and likely can't be reproduced.

In normalized testing the GT* ran .1 faster than both SS. We have acknowledged that over and over and over again. Time to lay this shit to rest.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Evan has always been shady. None of his runs then were reproducible and they still aren't. What's funny is we all know this. His "magic" runs sell magazines and aftermarket parts for Mustang people. He is a magazine marketing tool nothing more.

I dont personally credit the GT* with an 11.83 for the same reason I'm not calling the SS an 11.7x car. The conditions for those runs were not normalized and likely can't be reproduced.

In normalized testing the GT* ran .1 faster than both SS. We have acknowledged that over and over and over again. Time to lay this shit to rest.

It seems like GSJ's departure left a spot open...

They pull this shit all the time. The Mustang has tested faster for what it's worth which we all have acknowledged. The fact that it took them all that time and R&D and an entirely new setup just to be ahead in testing by only 1 tenth and only when optioned right is a joke. Like Thanos said, "all that for a drop of blood", lol!! Ford would have been better off just eating the loss and building something strong for the S650. But as it is the S650 might not be here until 2025, the GTPP2 was a flop, the GT350 is a joke that can't beat cars that cost half it's price, the GT350R is an even bigger joke with an even bigger price tag, the GT500 can't go faster than 180 MPH because it is unstable at those speeds, and the Bullitt can't get out of it's own way. But they're cheering over 1 tenth in the quarter mile. Shit I pity them soo badly that I say let them have it. They need something to cheer.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That is the point of hotlap's "*". You have to have a very specific configuration. When I've gone out and checked content of GTs on dealer lots in my area (spitting distance from Ford World HQ and the Flat Rock Mustang plant) only 4 of 28 GTs had the * configuration.

I know what he meant, which is why I mentioned the Performance Pack. They have the Michelin PS4S tires. I have seen these A10 Mustangs on the dragstrip and they are not actually going quicker than the Camaro SS, propoganda is not reality.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It seems like GSJ's departure left a spot open...

They pull this shit all the time. The Mustang has tested faster for what it's worth which we all have acknowledged. The fact that it took them all that time and R&D and an entirely new setup just to be ahead in testing by only 1 tenth and only when optioned right is a joke. Like Thanos said, "all that for a drop of blood", lol!! Ford would have been better off just eating the loss and building something strong for the S650. But as it is the S650 might not be here until 2025, the GTPP2 was a flop, the GT350 is a joke that can't beat cars that cost half it's price, the GT350R is an even bigger joke with an even bigger price tag, the GT500 can't go faster than 180 MPH because it is unstable at those speeds, and the Bullitt can't get out of it's own way. But they're cheering over 1 tenth in the quarter mile. Shit I pity them soo badly that I say let them have it. They need something to cheer.

Now that is funny. They can also cheer the Mustang is so popular almost everyone has one. Would Steve McQeen ever buy one? Never! The chassis is way too flimsy and almost everybody has one.