Tire damage

RobbyBeefcake87 · 04-01-2019, 10:10 AM

I just found a nail in back tire, might have been there a while as it's a very slow leak. It's in the grove between treads so I couldn't really feel or hear it untill I visually inspected my tires today due to slightly lower tire pressure than the other tires.

I plan to go just get it patched later, but sometimes I read something enlightening on this forum. Any reason someone wouldn't do this and would just get a(2) new tire(s) instead?

ctrlz · 04-01-2019, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Any reason someone wouldn't do this and would just get a(2) new tire(s) instead?

very limited residual tread life is only thing that would push me away from repairing the tire.
You will probably get comments about only patching the tire in the "safe repair zone," but you don't sound like the type that would do otherwise.
Personally, I still plug tires with this type of damage (nail puncture), and I know that is viewed very unfavorably in some circles.

AmazinglySmooth · 04-01-2019, 10:37 AM

Why did they ever stop using tubes in car tires?

Rayvan · 04-01-2019, 10:39 AM

I'd patch it, but I would not race the car, and you should avoid high speeds until it's replaced.

ctrlz · 04-01-2019, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AmazinglySmooth

Why did they ever stop using tubes in car tires?

Fewer parts, less weight, ability to repair tire without removing it from wheel...

DIYguy · 04-01-2019, 11:00 AM

I greatly prefer to patch punctures.
The process of plugging them tends to cause more damage to the tire cords.
Just my opinion.

And of course you really should not patch or plug a tire with a puncture larger than about 1/8" or thereabouts (opinions vary).

I recently had a puncture and slow leak similar to the one the OP described.
I patched it using a radial tire patch and the result was excellent.
My tires have lots of tread left and I do not race my car, so replacing the tire was not necessary.

They stopped using tubes in radial tires mainly due to their greater sidewall flexure.
The tube can abrade against the insides of the tire and also can lower heat dissipation.
However, this is only true when non-radial style tubes are used in radial tires.
There are special radial tire style tubes which are OK to use.
And of course TPMS sensors and inner tubes do not play well (you can have one or the other but not both).
I have never seen tubes that can work with TPMS.

mcintyre1969 · 04-01-2019, 12:12 PM

Sounds like you have good tread, just get it patched beefcake

karmatourer · 04-01-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AmazinglySmooth

Why did they ever stop using tubes in car tires?

Run-flat technology.

Rock-It Man · 04-01-2019, 12:25 PM

Tire must be removed from wheel and patched from inside.

RobbyBeefcake87 · 04-01-2019, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ctrlz

very limited residual tread life is only thing that would push me away from repairing the tire.
You will probably get comments about only patching the tire in the "safe repair zone," but you don't sound like the type that would do otherwise.
Personally, I still plug tires with this type of damage (nail puncture), and I know that is viewed very unfavorably in some circles.

Yea I wouldn't try to patch a questionable or no go spot just to save a few bucks.

I'll go ahead and patch it since the tire still has plenty of life left and just refrain from any high speed shenanigans until I replace them (which depending on how long the nail's been there I've probably inadvertently done already lol).

The 305's look mean but I fear the day I need to replace all 4 tires! lol

RobbyBeefcake87 · 04-01-2019, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mcintyre1969

Sounds like you have good tread, just get it patched beefcake

Will do!

VinnAY · 04-01-2019, 01:29 PM

A proper patch on the inside cost me $16 last time on a Z rated tire...it's very affordable to the point that you shouldn't even need to consider a plug repair. But repairs can be fickle, some they will and some don't meet their envelope of repairable.

LT4Greg · 04-01-2019, 02:43 PM

A tire shop can advise you Robby if it can be patched. If it can’t then they won’t do it. I had a couple of tires in the past that couldn’t and I was told they wouldn’t even try after checking the tire. Something about a liability issue for the tire store.

cellsafemode · 04-01-2019, 09:53 PM

high speed where a plug would be a problem isn't anywhere in the range you can reach on most highways (low triple digits).

centripetal force isn't going to remove it and rolling friction isn't going to budge it. Slamming on your brakes right on the spot where it is might do something, but if you're doing that, you're already in trouble and a tire losing pressure is only going to be an additional headache.

I'd think most people who are tracking their car dont track it using their daily driving tires....that's just a fast way to waste rubber. Plugs should be totally fine between 0-100...

04-01-2019, 10:10 AM	#1
RobbyBeefcake87 Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 1,981	Tire damage I just found a nail in back tire, might have been there a while as it's a very slow leak. It's in the grove between treads so I couldn't really feel or hear it untill I visually inspected my tires today due to slightly lower tire pressure than the other tires. I plan to go just get it patched later, but sometimes I read something enlightening on this forum. Any reason someone wouldn't do this and would just get a(2) new tire(s) instead? __________________ 2000 Miata - aventi storm wheels, roll bar. 2019 Mustang GT pp1 - svt pp2 wheels, mbrp cat back, sync 3 upgrade, p1x procharger + stg2 intercooler. 2018 Colorado zr2 - zr2 sport bar, showcase spare tire. 2018 Camaro SS 1LE - GM cai, black bowties, suede knee bolsters, 1le plate frame, black fuel door, dark tails + 3rd brake light, euro side markers + led's, GM all weather floor mats, velossatech big mouth, GM strut brace. 2017 Corvette Grandsport (sold) - untouched. 2006 GTO (sold) - iat relocation, air box mod, monero side marker lights.

04-01-2019, 11:00 AM	#6
DIYguy Drives: 2017 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: California Posts: 243 View My Garage	Old School I greatly prefer to patch punctures. The process of plugging them tends to cause more damage to the tire cords. Just my opinion. And of course you really should not patch or plug a tire with a puncture larger than about 1/8" or thereabouts (opinions vary). I recently had a puncture and slow leak similar to the one the OP described. I patched it using a radial tire patch and the result was excellent. My tires have lots of tread left and I do not race my car, so replacing the tire was not necessary. They stopped using tubes in radial tires mainly due to their greater sidewall flexure. The tube can abrade against the insides of the tire and also can lower heat dissipation. However, this is only true when non-radial style tubes are used in radial tires. There are special radial tire style tubes which are OK to use. And of course TPMS sensors and inner tubes do not play well (you can have one or the other but not both). I have never seen tubes that can work with TPMS. __________________ Gen6 Camaro LT (my daily driver), Cruze ECO (grocery getter), Chevy SS Pickup (wife's daily driver), Honda Shadow, Honda CBX Last edited by DIYguy; 04-01-2019 at 12:54 PM.

04-01-2019, 12:12 PM	#7
mcintyre1969 Drives: 1968 SS/RS, 2006 H2 2016 2SS White Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Texas ( Southern Moron) Posts: 770	Sounds like you have good tread, just get it patched beefcake __________________ 2016 2SS White fully loaded

04-01-2019, 02:43 PM	#13
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,875	A tire shop can advise you Robby if it can be patched. If it can’t then they won’t do it. I had a couple of tires in the past that couldn’t and I was told they wouldn’t even try after checking the tire. Something about a liability issue for the tire store. __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

04-01-2019, 10:37 AM	#3
AmazinglySmooth Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Texas Posts: 101	Why did they ever stop using tubes in car tires?

04-01-2019, 10:39 AM	#4
Rayvan Rayvan Drives: 2018 1SS1LE, Silver Ice Metallic Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 276	I'd patch it, but I would not race the car, and you should avoid high speeds until it's replaced.

04-01-2019, 12:25 PM	#9
Rock-It Man 376 cubic inches of fun Drives: 2023 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: MA Posts: 4,043 View My Garage	Tire must be removed from wheel and patched from inside.

04-01-2019, 01:29 PM	#12
VinnAY Account Suspended Drives: 18 1SS/1LE Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Missouri Posts: 939	A proper patch on the inside cost me $16 last time on a Z rated tire...it's very affordable to the point that you shouldn't even need to consider a plug repair. But repairs can be fickle, some they will and some don't meet their envelope of repairable.

04-01-2019, 09:53 PM	#14
cellsafemode Drives: 2016 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: California Posts: 3,522	high speed where a plug would be a problem isn't anywhere in the range you can reach on most highways (low triple digits). centripetal force isn't going to remove it and rolling friction isn't going to budge it. Slamming on your brakes right on the spot where it is might do something, but if you're doing that, you're already in trouble and a tire losing pressure is only going to be an additional headache. I'd think most people who are tracking their car dont track it using their daily driving tires....that's just a fast way to waste rubber. Plugs should be totally fine between 0-100...

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