[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Lol. Here's one for you if C&D is correct a Scatpack 1320 will be faster than a manual ZL1 and within 2 tenths of the A10. Not only will the ZL1 driver have to worry about lining up against a Hellcat, RedEye, GT500, but now a Scatpack.

On a prepped dragstrip maybe. Any where else in the world no. I like the idea of the 1320. Just wish it came in a 3600 pound package.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Ha, dude, practically everything you just typed is speculation.

It will not be faster than a Redeye - FACT.
It will not run the ring - Speculation bordering on fact.
It will not run 200 mph - FACT.
It will cost as much as 100k - FACT if you account for ADM/demand.

Practically everything?

More to the point...at the very least, it will still cost more than BOTH it's competitors. That is also FACT..

Originally Posted by newmoon

Lol. Here's one for you if C&D is correct a Scatpack 1320 will be faster than a manual ZL1 and within 2 tenths of the A10. Not only will the ZL1 driver have to worry about lining up against a Hellcat, RedEye, GT500, but now a Scatpack.

The 1320 is a very impressive piece of machinery, but it's also essentially a drag pack version of the Scat Pack. It took them adding stuff from the Demon to get that point, and even then, it's maxed out..the 6.4L wont handle boost like the 6.1.....The ZL1 has serious potential to be a 10's car all day, if GM would just get out of their own damn way... but they can't...

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

It will not be faster than a Redeye - FACT.
It will not run the ring - Speculation bordering on fact.
It will not run 200 mph - FACT.
It will cost as much as 100k - FACT if you account for ADM/demand.

Practically everything?

More to the point...at the very least, it will still cost more than BOTH it's competitors. That is also FACT..




The 1320 is a very impressive piece of machinery, but it's also essentially a drag pack version of the Scat Pack. It took them adding stuff from the Demon to get that point, and even then, it's maxed out..the 6.4L wont handle boost like the 6.1.....The ZL1 has serious potential to be a 10's car all day, if GM would just get out of their own damn way... but they can't...

Yes, everything except for the top speed is speculation because it hasn't been announced or tested yet. Your understanding of speculation is on par with BlaqWhole's understanding of averages. Two peas in a pod.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

It will not be faster than a Redeye - FACT.
It will not run the ring - Speculation bordering on fact.
It will not run 200 mph - FACT.
It will cost as much as 100k - FACT if you account for ADM/demand.

Practically everything?

More to the point...at the very least, it will still cost more than BOTH it's competitors. That is also FACT..




The 1320 is a very impressive piece of machinery, but it's also essentially a drag pack version of the Scat Pack. It took them adding stuff from the Demon to get that point, and even then, it's maxed out..the 6.4L wont handle boost like the 6.1.....The ZL1 has serious potential to be a 10's car all day, if GM would just get out of their own damn way... but they can't...

Dude stop being so BH, the SS and ZL1 had a good run, for the SS that's been over since the 18GT hit the street and now is completely over with the 1320, the ZL1 never had the dominance because of the HC but now it is really over with the RedEye and 500. In a few years Chevy will answer and in may be over for them as well.

Your choice is go buy the next greatest thing or do like I have and just enjoy what you have already.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Dude stop being so BH, the SS and ZL1 had a good run, for the SS that's been over since the 18GT hit the street and now is completely over with the 1320, the ZL1 never had the dominance because of the HC but now it is really over with the RedEye and 500. In a few years Chevy will answer and in may be over for them as well.

Your choice is go buy the next greatest thing or do like I have and just enjoy what you have already.

Not true. The GT with PP1 + A10 has the edge in a driver’s race. All other ‘18 / ‘19 GTs will not keep up with an SS. I see more Hellcats than I see PP1 (unless everybody does the spoiler delete). And when I checked local dealer lots, VERY FEW PP1 + A10 on the lots, so most ‘18 / ‘19 GTs in this area are NOT faster than an SS. And I live within spitting distance of Ford World HQ, so I would have expected to see a ton of them by now.

[BlueSteel07]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Dude stop being so BH, the SS and ZL1 had a good run, for the SS that's been over since the 18GT hit the street and now is completely over with the 1320, the ZL1 never had the dominance because of the HC but now it is really over with the RedEye and 500. In a few years Chevy will answer and in may be over for them as well.

Your choice is go buy the next greatest thing or do like I have and just enjoy what you have already.

The SS and GT are very close in a straight line and the SS easily out handles it, trim vs trim, so not sure why you would think the GT is superior. I ran a 12.2 quarter mile on my 1 and only try with a 2019 SS last weekend and I can't drive at all.

Though it is complete speculation on anyone's part to say that the GT500 won't beat the ZL1 or Redeye at xyz. We don't know the weight or the HP but we do know that it will have a dual clutch transmission so that already possibly gives it a little bit of an edge. The GT500 will likely be a very capable car performance wise. Not sure why people are trying to put it down before the specs are released. Maybe to make themselves feel better about their purchase? Relax, your ZL1 will probably be significantly cheaper than the GT500 so you have nothing to worry about.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Dude stop being so BH, the SS and ZL1 had a good run, for the SS that's been over since the 18GT hit the street and now is completely over with the 1320, the ZL1 never had the dominance because of the HC but now it is really over with the RedEye and 500. In a few years Chevy will answer and in may be over for them as well.

Your choice is go buy the next greatest thing or do like I have and just enjoy what you have already.

Man that GT PP1 A10 Drag Mode that beat a MANUAL SS by.1 was blisteringly fast. I wonder how they can even keep paint on it at that speed.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Not true. The GT with PP1 + A10 has the edge in a driver’s race. All other ‘18 / ‘19 GTs will not keep up with an SS. I see more Hellcats than I see PP1 (unless everybody does the spoiler delete). And when I checked local dealer lots, VERY FEW PP1 + A10 on the lots, so most ‘18 / ‘19 GTs in this area are NOT faster than an SS. And I live within spitting distance of Ford World HQ, so I would have expected to see a ton of them by now.

Very will said. GT vs GT*. Far more GT and they can’t hang with a SS. Then there are all those pityful 15-17.

* GT, A10, PP, Michelin PS, 3.55 in drag race mode

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Man that GT PP1 A10 Drag Mode that beat a MANUAL SS by.1 was blisteringly fast. I wonder how they can even keep paint on it at that speed.

And your Manual SS is 1 tenth faster than my Boss, does it matter no the SS is faster period.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And your Manual SS is 1 tenth faster than my Boss, does it matter no the SS is faster period.

"Kid right now your just an annoying magazine racer. Post your timeslip in a Boss proving your point or quit speculating. Look the word reality up. That's something that can be proven......Right now."

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And your Manual SS is 1 tenth faster than my Boss, does it matter no the SS is faster period.

Well I'm not trying to convince you that your Boss is slow because a professional driver could beat it by .1 seconds in a car similar to mine. And after all you do have the fastest 5.0 liter Mustang manual Ford has ever made by what 3-4 tenths?

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Not true. The GT with PP1 + A10 has the edge in a driver’s race. All other ‘18 / ‘19 GTs will not keep up with an SS. I see more Hellcats than I see PP1 (unless everybody does the spoiler delete). And when I checked local dealer lots, VERY FEW PP1 + A10 on the lots, so most ‘18 / ‘19 GTs in this area are NOT faster than an SS. And I live within spitting distance of Ford World HQ, so I would have expected to see a ton of them by now.

I did a quick search. And found this. I don't think this is a PP1? It's also on all season tires. I honest to god hope. There isn't a single person commenting in this thread. That believes a manual SS is as quick as an Auto GT? It never ends in this section. With the nonsense. Auto GT vs Auto SS. Driver race? Sure. Manual anything against Auto anything in same class? Come on.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

I did a quick search. And found this. I don't think this is a PP1? It's also on all season tires. I honest to god hope. There isn't a single person commenting in this thread. That believes a manual SS is as quick as an Auto GT? It never ends in this section. With the nonsense. Auto GT vs Auto SS. Driver race? Sure. Manual anything against Auto anything in same class? Come on.

The reason we dont use these videos as "evidence" and we do use professional magazine testing like MT, C&D, and R&T is because they normalize the atmospheric conditions on all their times. Every car they test is under the same atmospheric conditions as is scientifically reasonable. And not to burst your bubble but yes the M6 SS has been tested under these conditions to be as fast as the A10 SS and faster than all GTs EXCEPT the GT PP1 A10 drag mode.

Now please. Stop fapping over the GT. Take that shit to the Mustang forums.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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We will have to agree to disagree. IMO The Challenger has aged very well and now looks great and the sales data reflects that. It has been a steady improvement to the appearance of the car since 2008, thus improving sales.

You’re being kind, the facts are the facts here. In an age where cars are completely restyled every 3-4 years the Challenger has gone a full decade with only an incremental facelift and sells at double the rate when it was first introduced. Imagine if Chevy were still trying to sell the 2010 Camaro as new today, using only a refreshed interior and trim, flashy colors, low-volume halo editions and an occasional power bump. That is the magnitude of Dodge’s success with this program.

I say this as someone who would never pick a Challenger over a Camaro for my own car, but I am really in awe of the Challenger as a business accomplishment. The product sells at comparable prices and comparable volumes to its competitors in spite of being notably inferior to PREVIOUS generations. For every dollar GM and Ford invest in the product Dodge invests a nickel nurturing the brand, and the ROI isn’t even comparable.

I remember well when they brought it back as basically a boutique model not unlike the Prowler or Viper. It was engineered to be profitable at low volumes, something they would continue to build as long as they were moving 30-40k units a year. It’s not as reliant on base model sales like the other two - remember they didn’t even offer a base model initially . I can guarantee you neither Mustang nor Camaro are profitable at the sales levels Challenger is. They pulled an obsolete platform out of mothballs, shoveled in a massaged truck engine, and ten years later are still selling them for $40k and up. In terms of unit profit I doubt either Mustang or Camaro are even in the ballpark.

It’s also a case study in the power of marketing. I can’t think of any car at any price that has better marketing than Challenger. Chevy offers a far superior product but in comparison to Dodge they almost seem ashamed to build it.