[Lafourche1]

I'll chime in just a bit. I had a 6M in my '16 Camaro SS and I traded it for the '18 ZL1 with the 10A. I have found that the performance shifting algorithm, once engaged, is smarter and faster than I am at the track. On the street, either the quick blip or the hold of the left paddle sets the car into the performance mode. It is there when I want it. Also, you can just bump the shift lever over and play with it in manual mode. Works fine for me.

On the other side of the coin is the 7 speed dual clutch transmission that is in our AMG grocery getter. I honestly find that the 10A is quicker on upshifts than the DCT. I also feel that the 10A, in performance mode, is at least equally as quick on downshifts as the DCT. FWIW the DCT can be a small bit notchy at times at slower speeds in auto mode. Sort of the same feel as the 3>4 | 4<3 shifting in the A10 (a little rougher, just not the usual butter smooth).

In the no one cares category. I have driven manual transmission for ~55 years, starting pretty young on a '49 Chevy truck with a flatbed in the hey fields. Yea that three speed was a bit quirky and having to stand up to work the clutch was a bit of a challenge. I've had many different performance cars with 4/5/6 speed manuals. I even did time in grade driving for Halliburton using a RTO 9513 transmission. Nothing like pulling 500 sacks of bulk concrete around to give you a little perspective on clutchless shifting.

In conclusion, IMHO, the 10L90 is the best transmission that I've ever had the pleasure to own.

[Stealth7]

New M5 8 speed automatic transmission ... not dct

[ksmith_zl11le]

The A10 is a very good transmission but I drove a ZL1 with it and absolutely did not like it at all. I mainly think it is because I've been driving automatics on my last two cars and it was time to switch it up. I personally love the M6 on my ZLE. Obviously the A10 is faster shifts but I think the manual is just more fun in my opinion.

[Camarolover85]

Originally Posted by mlee

I don't blame you one bit and I would have done the same. I blew modded M6 Z's off the line with no problem in the A10.

It goes to the lowest possible gear. At 80 mph cruising in 10th gear it will drop to 3rd. Another important note is in addition to holding the left paddle back 3 sec you must be completely off the gas or it won't work. You can even use the gas pedal to activate. After the paddle has been held lift off the gas and it will instantly drop and put you up near 6k rpms. Problem is for roll racing once you go WOT you are in manual mode and have to quickly shift or you hit redline. For this reason using the blip to ~4500 rpm is best for that quick roll race.

You can't compare performance shifting in an LT or SS to the 10L90. Not even close.

I spent a ton of time trying to figure this one out on my 4am 37 mile commute to work each morning. I really though I had it with the hold down 3 sec to lowest gear but a few factors come to play like when is the hit going to take place after you drop gears. Then as I mentioned, the super quick shift to avoid rev limiter. I practiced my ass off to perfect this one and it all comes back to leaving it in Auto, blip the throttle into perf shift mode and let the trans do the shifting after the hit.

Look forward to hearing your experience on this one.

It’s the exact same feature lol. It holds RPMs and won’t downshift, neither the SS or LT are a ZL1 but I know what performance shifting feels like. The first time it engages its very odd.

[Raptor Jesus]

Originally Posted by Stealth7

New M5 8 speed automatic transmission ... not dct

Exactly. They went backwards with the auto because it shifts close to the same speed and is much more livable. Plus the issues BMW had for many years with their automatic shifted manual cars left a sour taste in many owners mouths.

[Mister Will]

Originally Posted by kwav8r

Blip the throttle to the floor and it'll go into Performance Shift Mode. Trans will downshift to the gear that puts the revs at about 4K and keep you in that range (~4K to Redline RPM). If you're driving twisties it'll downshift much more aggressively as you slow going into a corner. Sets you up for coming out of a corner to get on it. Car will go back into Normal mode after a few seconds of normal driving, or you can slide the stick over to manual mode and back and it'll go right back to normal.

So it will hold the gear when you decelerate when going into a corner? Allowing the car to slow down. Unlike older auto-trans which would shift into a higher gear and keep the speed up?


Sorry if this sounds ignorant, I haven't had an automatic performance car since my '96 Camaro Z28 (and I love the twisties).

[Mister Will]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

I drove 4 A10s back in Aug of 17 and had a buyers invoice drawn up for 54,900 less than 60k out the door on a new A10 and still got a M6 at 63,800 out the door(Me over pay right I'm the king of deals))... Just couldn't do it.. It felt so unrealistic in performance mod like it was in to high of gear and then if you didn't drive aggressive it came out of that mode. I guess you can set it in that mode and keep it there? And it was weird like I had to dbl tap the throttle to get into that mode? I guess I didn't mess with it enough to understand all the functions..

There's times I wish I had a A10 for sure but, it seems your more instep with the car in a M6.. I don't know how to describe it.. I guess it keeps ya occupied and busy and constantly thinking vs daydreaming letting the car shift. but, no doubt If I had my mods on an A10 I'd try to race everything of the line including a 720s.. I'll have to stick with roll racing and curves I guess!

Oh and the rev match with Borla and headers.. Cmon doesn't get any better!

Also I'm in Houston(probably need an A10) but, to initiate a race I like to tap on the accelerator with clutch in "You know rev the motor" I hate when a auto moves to neutral, revs then slides back into D and the car lurches fwd following with the worst sound in the universe!

You know what fixes the bog.. Hp and tuning! lol

Congrats it's all about being happy and getting what ya want.. Wish I could get 1 and 1 that would be the ultimate!

You should get what you want when you put your good money down.

[goPC]

After 5 knee surgeries on my left knee by the age of 30 and a need for a knee replacement sooner than the average person, the A10 was a no brainer for me. Good news, the right knee is just fine.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Mister Will

So it will hold the gear when you decelerate when going into a corner? Allowing the car to slow down. Unlike older auto-trans which would shift into a higher gear and keep the speed up?


Sorry if this sounds ignorant, I haven't had an automatic performance car since my '96 Camaro Z28 (and I love the twisties).

Once performance shift mode has been activated, not only will it hold the gear mid corner, but it will first start downshifting as you're slowing, preparing for the corner exit. So yes. It helps slow the car a bit as well. The car will stay in Performance Shift mode as long as you're driving aggressive. Meaning heavy throttle, no throttle, or part throttle as long as you're maintaining some pretty good Gs (around .5 G or more) through a corner. It only starts timing out and returning to normal once you are barely on the throttle just trying to maintain your "cruising" speed, and that takes 7 seconds. Then it starts up shifting to bring the RPM down.

[Homeless Junkie]

After reading this thread I would sure like to drive a ZL1 1LE with an A10.

Anyone's wife/girlfriend feel comfortable enough to drive them home in a Camaro with a A10? My wife wants nothing to do with my Chevy as she hates driving my Subaru STi. That's only has 387 awhp.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Homeless Junkie

After reading this thread I would sure like to drive a ZL1 1LE with an A10.

Anyone's wife/girlfriend feel comfortable enough to drive them home in a Camaro with a A10? My wife wants nothing to do with my Chevy as she hates driving my Subaru STi. That's only has 387 awhp.

My wife drives the Z sometimes. Mostly on her days off, when it's nice out. She'll drive it to pick the kids up at school. She's drove it to work a few times, but she didn't like leaving it sitting outside in the parking lot all day. Afraid someone might run into it or something. I'm glad she chose to stop doing that. Lol!

[~Jb]

Forum debates are always fun.

As a first-time American muscle car owner, I truly believe the ZLE should have stayed M6 like originally planned. Maybe offering another model or package to achieve the A10 or something to keep the ZLE special, who knows or even cares at this point.

What's funny is, I had never actually considered a GM product until I saw the ZLE at BJ and talked with Al O. in person. His exact words at that time were "this car was made to be raw, it will always be M6 so that a buyer knows exactly what this car is, untamed race car for the street" While that sold me on the idea of a sweet weekend car, I think he ate those words after seeing all the ZLE's left on the table because so many people wanted the A10. There is no debate the A10 is a good transmission, it can shift faster and therefore is faster for the average joe. I drove it, have nothing bad to say about it, but honestly, as others have said, for me it was just boring. When test driving it just felt like some of the fun of the Z is lost even with the paddles. Faster? Sure. But not everyone cares about a few tenths of a second, some of us would rather be connected to the car by the third pedal and rowing through the gears however quickly or slowly we feel that drive, complete control.

Now we get the choice and that's great. It wasn't Al's plan, but I think it will pan out a lot better for GM as a business in the long run. We all like the Z and as car people are always going to try and justify our choices, it's just what we do. Now we can all enjoy the same car even if we can't agree on the same transmission, I'd say that's a win for everyone.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Mister Will

So it will hold the gear when you decelerate when going into a corner? Allowing the car to slow down. Unlike older auto-trans which would shift into a higher gear and keep the speed up?


Sorry if this sounds ignorant, I haven't had an automatic performance car since my '96 Camaro Z28 (and I love the twisties).

It does better than holding a gear. It will actually downshift hard going into twisties.

I had a Corvette instructor with me at the NCM track who dropped his jaw at how the car downshifted. He said "this A8 shifts way better than the vettes" and that's when I told him it was an A10. He was completely blown away and wanted to drive the car after that.

[bobby35ny]

I can say this much. To a manual guy as I am. Of course my biggest concern was that I might get bored with the A10. But the A10 has its own crazy features that there is always something there so you wont get bored!!! And YES I'm still looking to step on the clutch pedal, LOL