[CCG Garnet Red]

I bet the Turbo 4, 1LE sales are miniscule and not even worth the trouble to engineer and produce.

[CCG Garnet Red]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

Camaro 3,247
Mustang 4,025
Challenger 3,639

Even added together, the total would not keep one factory going. SUV and pickup sales are killing all car sales, especially these three. Gas has gradually be going up around here. Chevy and Ford may regret going all in on SUV's and pickups and do the majority of people really want electric and self-driving? I enjoy driving myself, for business and pleasure.

[karmatourer]

Originally Posted by CruzySS

Yup

No,thankfully not everyone lives in a freezer for 5 months. Imagine if you subtracted sales in warm weather states or states below the Mason-Dixon line.
Probably under a grand for Camaro. I did drive from Florida to Maryland to get mine on New Years Day.

[18LTLoveIt]

Orange SS entering 8th week on dealer corner lot pedestal, moved once I guess for a test drive. It hasn't moved from the exact spot in at least 3 weeks, in Phoenix!

[zts1986]

Originally Posted by protovack

Put me down in the march category for my '19 2.0T

Same

[zts1986]

Originally Posted by CCG Garnet Red

I bet the Turbo 4, 1LE sales are miniscule and not even worth the trouble to engineer and produce.

The problem with the 2.0T with 1LE is that it really only applies to the Autocross guys. I think the suspension gets too stiff to allow the 2.0T be a great daily commuter, which it already is without the upgrades.

That being said, I think I may be throwing some beefier sway bars in, at least in the rear. On spirited drives through the twisties I get juuuust a bit too much roll. Dont want to go too stiff, though. Thinking SS bars.

[AZCamaroFan]

Originally Posted by 18LTLoveIt

Orange SS entering 8th week on dealer corner lot pedestal, moved once I guess for a test drive. It hasn't moved from the exact spot in at least 3 weeks, in Phoenix!

and the next closest dealer, for the last two weeks at least, the only Camaro's out front you can see are ZL1's or 2018s. All the 2019's at the back of the lot.

[zts1986]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

and the next closest dealer, for the last two weeks at least, the only Camaro's out front you can see are ZL1's or 2018s. All the 2019's at the back of the lot.

When I bought mine last weekend, the dealer had three of them. All in their storage garage 6 miles away from the dealership. I had to find it online, call the Sales Manager, and have them have it at the dealer at 9:00AM for me to test drive.

[AZCamaroFan]

they've got a bunch of them here, just all where you can't see them.

[karmatourer]

Originally Posted by 18LTLoveIt

Orange SS entering 8th week on dealer corner lot pedestal, moved once I guess for a test drive. It hasn't moved from the exact spot in at least 3 weeks, in Phoenix!

Mine sat on the lot for 18 months and was never moved or started. When I took delivery,all 4 tires were flat-spotted and they put 4 new tires on for me. I found out when I got on the interstate 2 blocks from the dealer! After I returned,the service manager drove it and said he's never seen/felt tires that bad. DUH!!! That was the day after they tried to start it and of course,the battery was dead. They also replaced the battery.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Yes......if those were Corvette numbers.

All 3 are very poor. But maybe Spring will help.

Poor sales in a comparison to 8 years ago and a different market , yes . I think these numbers today are a glimpse into the future . In that future i don't see the Challenger surviving unless it makes some real changes to that car , if it does will it be able to sell well with its changes . I see real competition coming from the Supra more then the Challenger which should make the next Gen Camaro very interesting .

[samurai]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

Poor sales in a comparison to 8 years ago and a different market , yes . I think these numbers today are a glimpse into the future . In that future i don't see the Challenger surviving unless it makes some real changes to that car , if it does will it be able to sell well with its changes . I see real competition coming from the Supra more then the Challenger which should make the next Gen Camaro very interesting .

Come on, the Supra starts at $49,990 in the US, that's the price of a fully loaded 2SS or 2SS 1LE - The higher end of Camaros. I guess a fully loaded Supra will cost as much as a ZL1.



The Challenger sold over 66k units in 2018 which is a new record for the car. Dodge should be really happy with the impact of the marketing and Halo models.

[V8 Firebird]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

In that future i don't see the Challenger surviving unless it makes some real changes to that car , if it does will it be able to sell well with its changes . I see real competition coming from the Supra more then the Challenger which should make the next Gen Camaro very interesting .

Challenger is pony or muscle car of Mini, most of owner buying it because of decent classic shape. I think most of its fan don't want to see it having big change in next gen.

Viper is gone, Challenger is only Dodge sport car, Charger is best selling full-size Sedan in the market, and Supra is more like Corvette rival because of two seats only, so I don't think Challenger will be killed by FCA self

[shaffe]

Ouch. those are poor numbers for all