[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by Raptor Jesus

Yes, someone spends $75k on a 650hp car, throws a cage in it, buys track tires and wheels, trailers it to the track, and is not there to go a second or two faster

That's some Miata forum talk.

The "Fun" part is subjective.

For some it is chasing lap times, for others it's just doing things with your car that will get you in jail on public roads.

Some take the track experience as entertainment and for the experience, others are serious about it.

I plan to do my first track event this spring and this is the part I am trying to figure out before going. You have a mix of people there, some super serious and chasing times and others going for the fun of it and to explore their car more.

Hopefully there are track events that cater to both. It's like going to a table in Vegas as a novice and screwing up the flow with those that are there being super serious and hardcore.

[greaser2]

Wow, another your not a man if you don’t drive a manual thread. And by the way my daily is a manual

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

At the risk of sounding ignorant, what does the 10L90 have over the 10L80 other than the 10L90 being beefed up for ZL1 power levels?

Something to do with the eLSD?

I looked into this a little. So far, the only thing I can confirm is additional clutches:

10L80 vs. 10L90
1-2-3-4-6-7-8-10-R Clutch: 5 vs. 6
2-3-4-5-7-9-10 Clutch: 4 vs. 5

Other than that, it's still unknown. Could be clutch material. Torque converters are likely different (stall, of course, but likely construction, too).

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

And the Mustang Forums are all crying about problems with the new 10 speed transmission. including shutter in 1st gear.

That's because Ford screwed up their model of the A10.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Should have just done this from the beginning...

You know that is just marketing. First the manual then the A10. It is just like when they first made the battery electric screwdriver. They couldn't come out with a more powerful right off the bat, no one would buy the cheap one. First you saturate the market with a crappy weak one, then bring out the more powerful one. That way everyone has two and then one to throw away.

[~Jb]

Is this really any different than people adding the ZLE aero bits, especially the rear spoiler to the regular ZL1?

[RUQWIKR]

Let's say we all agreed we were buying a ZL1 1LE, new or lightly used. We really wanted the A10. Now that it is available, the business case becomes a personal one. I am in the market, but, if all 18's & 19's were optioned the same and were the same price, I'd pick the A10. However, with transaction prices of lightly used to new 18 M6's going in the mid $50K's to low $60K's without too much trouble, a PDR A10 19 is going to be around $76K MSRP (PDR $1300, A10 $1595, extra guzzler $800). So, assume you get decently rebates and get it down to $68K not including tax...

Is the A10 really worth $10K or more (maybe much more) to you over a M6? That's a personal choice. You can buy a lot of tires and track days for that.

...I'm not even counting tax, financing charges, etc. for a net cost difference.

[Artos]

Originally Posted by Gonasurvive

NASCAR has lost a lot of fans due to the cars no longer being stock cars. Formula 1 cars have electronic clutch, which they only use to start the car, shift to 1 or Reverse and believe it or not to launch the car. Formula 1 cars transmission are probably the most expense part in the car and cost up into the millions. Their transmission is a semi-automatic transmission, and they still are shifting gears with the paddles. The steering wheel has all the extra controls they need, hence all the buttons on the steering wheel. The clutch is either a button or paddle. This is also why there hands are always on the steering wheel, that is where all the controls are. Soo believe it or not Hamilton is still shifting gears. So to think that Formula 1 or any race car doesn't require shifting is incorrect. Have fun trying to get into one of those cars and just driving off without any instructions.

I have nothing against the A10, but would rather be shifting. This move is good for our community/consumer and GM/Chevy.

I'm well aware of how the F1 shifts & am fascinated with all aspects of the car from how even the slightest wing adjustments / damage can alter the driving to the 5 figure rpm's...hell, even the pit stops blow my mind how they get fuel & tire changes. You are missing my point I think.

Ever since I joined I've been perplexed by some of the comments & total disdain for auto's...I'm not talking about the manual purists who appreciate technology & well made sports cars in general, but the small fringe of superior attitudes & comments to the point they turned their nose at the joint Ford / GM A10 venture with ours being launched in the ZL1 & actually seemed overjoyed once some heating problems showed up in the A10 & thumped their chest over other owners issues?? Boggles my mind the lack of mutual respect & cannot even acknowledge or give respect to even the F1 & their very accomplished drivers simply because they are not mashing a clutch with their left foot??

Trust me, this small group of self perceived superior drivers is not going to throw any auto guy a kudos for a good track time if he is shifting with the paddles or buttons. I do feel sorry for the manual purist enthusiast who were waiting to put money down on a 500...that has to sting a little & hope they correct it soon for those ford fans. I predicted the A10 would come to the 1LE when many didn't & happy for those who were wanting this, but do think GM should consider a slight name change or even something as simple as not adding the black matte hood wrap on the A10 version to salvage the 1LE tradition. I can certainly see the A10 sneaking in on the SS 1LE & that is obviously a much bigger group of purists compared to the higher dollar ZLE. It's always kinda cool for me to see one & knowing what it is.


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I also predict mlee will have another A10 within the next 10 months.

[v8]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

No doubt this is to compete with the upcoming GT500 with a DCT, but I think it's a great option to have especially considering that it's faster than the manual version. Something else to consider it still will be lighter than the regular A10 ZL1. That along with the re-calibrated ELSD, PTM and additional Track Modes (drag racing?) should make for some interesting times. I still think they're going drop a 775 hp LT5 and DCT before the 6th gen ends it run.

I would be all over an LT5 6th Gen

[Badmojo]

Or the fact that the A10 is a full 0.5 seconds faster in the quarter mile.

Originally Posted by Artos

I'm well aware of how the F1 shifts & am fascinated with all aspects of the car from how even the slightest wing adjustments / damage can alter the driving to the 5 figure rpm's...hell, even the pit stops blow my mind how they get fuel & tire changes. You are missing my point I think.

Ever since I joined I've been perplexed by some of the comments & total disdain for auto's...I'm not talking about the manual purists who appreciate technology & well made sports cars in general, but the small fringe of superior attitudes & comments to the point they turned their nose at the joint Ford / GM A10 venture with ours being launched in the ZL1 & actually seemed overjoyed once some heating problems showed up in the A10 & thumped their chest over other owners issues?? Boggles my mind the lack of mutual respect & cannot even acknowledge or give respect to even the F1 & their very accomplished drivers simply because they are not mashing a clutch with their left foot??

Trust me, this small group of self perceived superior drivers is not going to throw any auto guy a kudos for a good track time if he is shifting with the paddles or buttons. I do feel sorry for the manual purist enthusiast who were waiting to put money down on a 500...that has to sting a little & hope they correct it soon for those ford fans. I predicted the A10 would come to the 1LE when many didn't & happy for those who were wanting this, but do think GM should consider a slight name change or even something as simple as not adding the black matte hood wrap on the A10 version to salvage the 1LE tradition. I can certainly see the A10 sneaking in on the SS 1LE & that is obviously a much bigger group of purists compared to the higher dollar ZLE. It's always kinda cool for me to see one & knowing what it is.


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I also predict mlee will have another A10 within the next 10 months.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Artos

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I also predict mlee will have another A10 within the next 10 months.

[Artos]

LMAO...crap, I should have known better, reserved it & auctioned it off back to ya!!

[Gonasurvive]

Originally Posted by Badmojo

Or the fact that the A10 is a full 0.5 seconds faster in the quarter mile

The A10 is faster on the quarter mile, not disagreeing there. The feeling of accomplishment is soo high in a manual car, compared to an Automatic at least in my opinion and not even close to being boring. I believe there is someone that cracked a high 10 completely stock in the forums.

Originally Posted by Artos

I'm well aware of how the F1 shifts & am fascinated with all aspects of the car from how even the slightest wing adjustments / damage can alter the driving to the 5 figure rpm's...hell, even the pit stops blow my mind how they get fuel & tire changes. You are missing my point I think.

Ever since I joined I've been perplexed by some of the comments & total disdain for auto's...I'm not talking about the manual purists who appreciate technology & well made sports cars in general, but the small fringe of superior attitudes & comments to the point they turned their nose at the joint Ford / GM A10 venture with ours being launched in the ZL1 & actually seemed overjoyed once some heating problems showed up in the A10 & thumped their chest over other owners issues?? Boggles my mind the lack of mutual respect & cannot even acknowledge or give respect to even the F1 & their very accomplished drivers simply because they are not mashing a clutch with their left foot??

Trust me, this small group of self perceived superior drivers is not going to throw any auto guy a kudos for a good track time if he is shifting with the paddles or buttons. I do feel sorry for the manual purist enthusiast who were waiting to put money down on a 500...that has to sting a little & hope they correct it soon for those ford fans. I predicted the A10 would come to the 1LE when many didn't & happy for those who were wanting this, but do think GM should consider a slight name change or even something as simple as not adding the black matte hood wrap on the A10 version to salvage the 1LE tradition. I can certainly see the A10 sneaking in on the SS 1LE & that is obviously a much bigger group of purists compared to the higher dollar ZLE. It's always kinda cool for me to see one & knowing what it is.


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I also predict mlee will have another A10 within the next 10 months.

I second your mlee prediction. EDIT:---well look at that Texas Plate....LOL

I just see comparing an F1 trans to the A10, is disservice to the F1 Trans, or even putting it in the same conversation. Then again, apparently there really is not a difference between semi auto and fully auto in this day and age.

I don't have a problem if they put the A10 in all the different camaros. Chevy does have to make money back from all the research and development costs.

Our 6th gear is dead weight, there is nothing there. It would probably be different if there was something there, but there is not.

[JoeP@TeamBeckyD]

Originally Posted by mlee

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