[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Both are solid choices and will make both sides happy. The GT500 doesn’t give you those choices.

Exactly!

[Scottyz]

Originally Posted by full*throttle*therapy

We are the guardians of a dying art. The purveyors of a craft born of necessity, but beloved for its spirit. We travel with purpose regardless of our destination. Every corner an opportunity for the perfect downshift, every stop a new starting line. We find joy in those fleeting moments between ratios; the crescendo of rpm, the gentle click of the gate, the building inertia in our chest as the drivetrain becomes whole again. We are the masters of our machines. We are The Manual Gearbox Preservation Society!

Drive the A10 if you like. But it won't feel like this. This feeling is why I got into cars in the first place.

I feel the same. I do a lot of driving for my job. The manual for me is my therapy.
I do think it is a good move on GM to offer the A10 though. Not everyone can drive a manual or want to.

[big dave]

I'm a die hard stick guy but I can't complain about having my A10. Initially I wanted a manual but, being a drag racer, the auto just made more sense. I think the idea of putting the A10 in the 1LE was a good decision on GM's part. It's great to have choices. As far as exclusivity goes, I still think the 1LE will stand apart from your regular ZL1. For me though, the only thing that would keep me from getting the ZLE would be the tires it comes with. Not everyone is going to use this car for what its built, not everyone will track the car. Some may just like the look.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

Methinks someone was clocking the GT500 out on a road course somewhere and wanted to up the ante with a ZLE ...





Awesome!

Does anyone else remember the interview with Al O. on the ZL1 1LE, where he was questioned why they didn't consider to put the A10 in the ZL1 1LE and drop the 'Ring times sub 7:10, to where he replied, after a bit of a pause, stating something like, "we didn't consider that..."

I think the adoption of the A10 into the ZL1 1LE is more for going after marketing times (sales) and also to open up more possible sales, more than it is about going after the GT500.

Originally Posted by Jeb114

And the Mustang Forums are all crying about problems with the new 10 speed transmission. including shutter in 1st gear.

From what I understand, the Camaro SS, Silverado/Sierra, Mustang and F150 share essentially the same hardware A10 (10L80 in GM-land and 10R80 in Ford-land). The ZL1 uses an upgraded derivative of that co-developed transmission, called the 10L90.

Beyond that, Ford and GM tune their transmissions differently. Theirs probably minor differences between friction material and torque converters.

[DrkPhx]

No doubt this is to compete with the upcoming GT500 with a DCT, but I think it's a great option to have especially considering that it's faster than the manual version. Something else to consider it still will be lighter than the regular A10 ZL1. That along with the re-calibrated ELSD, PTM and additional Track Modes (drag racing?) should make for some interesting times. I still think they're going drop a 775 hp LT5 and DCT before the 6th gen ends it run.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Lets see how many buy the new A10, and if they can run for longer then 20 min lap sessions, I hope they can, but only time will tell, GM don't over fill the trans we don't want a repeat of that.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

Lets see how many buy the new A10, and if they can run for longer then 20 min lap sessions, I hope they can, but only time will tell, GM don't over fill the trans we don't want a repeat of that.

Can the regular ZL1 do it? If yes then we have the answer.

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by Mountain

Does anyone else remember the interview with Al O. on the ZL1 1LE, where he was questioned why they didn't consider to put the A10 in the ZL1 1LE and drop the 'Ring times even more, to where he replied, after a bit of a pause, stating something like, "we didn't consider that..."

I think the adoption of the A10 into the ZL1 1LE is more for going after marketing times (sales) and also to open up more possible sales, more than it is about going after the GT500.



From what I understand, the Camaro SS, Silverado/Sierra, Mustang and F150 share essentially the same hardware A10 (10L80 in GM-land and 10R80 in Ford-land). The ZL1 uses an upgraded derivative of that co-developed transmission, called the 10L90.

Beyond that, Ford and GM tune their transmissions differently. Theirs probably minor differences between friction material and torque converters.

Same with MRC. Hardware can be the same, but the magic happens in the software and algorithms used.

[Artos]

Originally Posted by ZL1 1LE

Hell, they should have named this supercharged automatic a Z/28 so long as nothing is sacred.

I sorta wish they would give it a different ring not only to salvage the 1LE tradition but to also maybe create an image with this new auto technology being accepted. I've only seen one ZLE down here in the rio grande valley, but would be kinda spiffy to know who may have the new auto instead of the same calling card.

Still real surprised not only that Ford didn't put the A10 in the 500 going with the dct7, but there was no mention of a standard at all (at least coming out of the gates). I never thought I would have an auto in my first real sports car, being in my late 40's & glad I did adapt to change, but do hope the standard is not abandoned long term as the advancements continue. The 500 needs a 3rd petal as much as the ZLE needed the A10 imho.

I mostly wanted to razz those who are resisting the auto movement all together and who not so long ago said there was a good reason the ZLE would never have an auto...I do think heating issues will be resolved & will become just as reliable.

All in all nobody should be upset with the game...it's a REALLY good time to be a hot rod / sports car enthusiast. I still want Dodge to get back into the turning game to compete on the road course & we all know they can do it. Competition is ALWAYS an outstanding situation for future improvements.

Having said all that, the standard Z / A10 is still the better option for me & it's turning out to be more challenging to get to the track (COTA specifically) than I expected. I still spend way too much time & $$$$ on guns / hunting & not ready to give up that portion of my fun pie allocation. Still, if I did live around the tracks like many of you, I would be very, very torn of which ZLE to purchase. Guess it's a good problem to struggle between. So, do I feel I could be bit faster using two pedals, or would art simply be more enjoyable rowing??

Good stuff amigos.

[URBAN LEGEND]

What’s the weight difference between A10 vs 6M?

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by full*throttle*therapy

We are the guardians of a dying art. The purveyors of a craft born of necessity, but beloved for its spirit. We travel with purpose regardless of our destination. Every corner an opportunity for the perfect downshift, every stop a new starting line. We find joy in those fleeting moments between ratios; the crescendo of rpm, the gentle click of the gate, the building inertia in our chest as the drivetrain becomes whole again. We are the masters of our machines. We are The Manual Gearbox Preservation Society!

Drive the A10 if you like. But it won't feel like this. This feeling is why I got into cars in the first place.

You guys really are, and have my utter respect for it.

[Bow Tie Fanatic]

Should have just done this from the beginning...

Amen to this.

I get the attachment to a manual and I really appreciate the passion of those that really won’t settle for anything but a manual. In regards to the ZLE A10 I think it will be a good bit quicker on most tracks than the ZLE 6 speed. I looked at some PDR video from my ZL1 A10 vs a ZLE and I was .75 seconds quicker (total) for just 2 sections (mostly straightaway- VIR Full). This with the ZLE running a 1.4 second better lap. Anyway not trying to upset anyone that has a manual ZL1 / ZLE but I’m so glad Chevrolet did this if nothing else to stay quicker than the GT500.

[Badmojo]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

What’s the weight difference between A10 vs 6M?

Just doing the math from the 2017 Camaro Playbook

Camaro ZL1
Manual Coupe 3,883
Auto Coupe 3,944
Difference 61 lbs

Camaro ZL1 1LE
Manual Coupe 3,823
Auto Coupe 3,884 ????

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

What’s the weight difference between A10 vs 6M?

About 60lbs