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In response to everyone thinking Ford isn't serious because they don't pursue breaking records at Nurburgring or VIR - Ferrari and McLaren don't post track times nor try to lay claim to breaking records at Nurburgring or VIR. I guess they aren't players in the performance car realm, right?
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What's funny is I literally grew up a Chevy/Camaro guy, having owned previous f-bodies, my Dad owned a '69 Vette, '65 hot rodded Nova coupe, and he currently owns a Gen 5 Camaro SS that is a sweet ride. I always bashed the Mustang as being slow, etc., but the '18 GT is so darn good IMO for what I want it to do that it won me over (see my previous post describing why) and I bought one in November and I haven't looked back since!
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GT500 Carbon Fiber Track Pack: - 20-inch exposed carbon fiber wheels - Adjustable strut top mounts - Exposed carbon fiber instrument panel - Exposed carbon fiber GT4 track wing - Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires - 305/30R20 front, 315/30R20 rear - Rear seat delete With in excess of 100 HP (est) over the ZL1 1LE, the GT500 Track Package will slaughter the ZLE according to reasoning used with the GT350R vs ZL1 head to head.
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Are we talking about the 6017 GT500? Because if what what you just posted actually happens Jonny Lieberman is gonna have some splain'n to do.
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I said it has been typical to introduce the higher up models a year or so later. Chevy did that with the 5th Gen, and then they did it with the 6th Gen. Did they not? They also did it with the C6 Vettes and then the C7 Vettes. Did they not? That seems to be their trend and that is what I noted. Just like it is their trend to not make any changes during the Gen as we have seen. They went that route with the 5th and 6th Gen Camaros and again, with the C6 and C7 Vettes. Did they not? Sure the 10 and 11 GT500 were out before the 12 ZL1. When it arrived it had 580 HP to the GT500's 550 HP. Ford obviously felt the need to answer to the ZL1's higher output by making a massive jump to 663. Just like they had to respond to the 2010 SS by making a massive jump to 411 HP in 2011. Nowhere else in history has Ford ever had to make such massive jumps. They had to when the Camaro showed up. Did GM respond to any of that? No. They went ahead with the Z28 and then moved on to the 6th Gen. Now again, the GT had to make massive changes in 2018 and the GT500 is coming back. So who is answering to who? If anything Ford is the one playing catch up while GM makes a product and moves on. This is the 4th time in the past decade that Ford has had to do something major just to keep up with the Camaro. So again, who is answering to who? |
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In the GT350R vs ZL1, the non-1LE ZL1 beat the R solely due to its power advantage. Technically, using M6G logic, the regular GT500 should beat the ZLE with its power advantage and GT350 based underpinnings.
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2010 SS - Ford answered with 412 hp 2011 Gen 1 Coyote (slightly short on power compared to the SS) 2011 GT500 (answer to nothing - Ford just put out a very powerful car even thought the top SS was 426 hp) - Chevy answered with 30 more hp 2012 ZL1 Boss 302 LS track package - my understanding is Chevy answered with the Z28 2012 Z28 - Ford answered with the GT350R 2013 GT500 - Ford's answer to the 2012 ZL1. Chevy basically had NO answer to this 662 hp monster. Until, 4 years later... 2016 GT350R - Chevy answers with 2017 ZL1 - Chevy's answer to the 2013 GT500 and the GT350R (power, handling). Chevy's attempt to kill two birds with one stone, although they didn't kill the acceleration part of the GT500 even though they had 4 years to do so, and the ZL1 had a lot more power so it was slightly faster than the GT350R around a track. GT350R is no doubt a serious handling car, as is the ZL1 (and later esp. the ZLE). 2015 Mustang GT - 435 hp (slightly more power than the 2015 SS) and new design; Chevy responded with the 2016 Gen 6 SS with 455 hp. Gen 6 SS - Ford answers with 2018 Mustang GT PP1, then later PP2, answer to the SS 1LE. 2018 ZLE - Ford answers with the 2020 GT500 (with track package) 2020 GT500 - Chevy must answer....? There's several cars Camaro has had to answer to: 2011 GT500, Boss 302 LS, 2013 GT500, 2015 Mustang GT (whether you believe it or not), 2016 GT350R, and now the 2020 GT500 (wait and see, but my guess is Chevy will have to answer). They are taking turns, if you couldn't tell. That's how competition works. To be fair, Ford has had to answer to the 2010 SS, 2012 ZL1, 2014 Z28, Gen 6 SS, and ZL1/ZLE. How you think Chevy never has to answer to what Ford does is beyond me, with the above examples clearly given.
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It’s been stated on SVTP by a good source(DBK) the track pack will outdo a ZLE on a road course...now, it wasn’t stated which course, and by how much...but it was said. For some reason i feel like it could’ve been VIR since they’ve already volunteered one for that lightning lap...just guessing though.
Honestly, i wouldn’t believe it had it not been typed by that particular poster. The ZLE is a freaking track monster. And obviously this’ll come down to the better driver more times than not. I do wish they’d use the Ring because i simply enjoy the videos that come out of that testing, but never been ford’s style. |
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