[SienarSystems]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

some one can buy mine I'm going 103

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[Whitespeed]

I wish I'd seen this thread a year ago! The only thing I can say that I truly "hate" about my SS 1LE is the throttle response. I've been driving manual transmission cars almost exclusively for the past 30 years, and I feel like a novice every time I get in my Camaro. The lack of tip in throttle response is infuriating. From a stop, I either under-rev and nearly stall (or stall), or I over-rev and lurch the car forward. It's not much better at speed. Even my instructor at a HPDE commented on how jerky my shifts were.

After I drive the Camario for a while (I have three MT cars), I retrain my foot to a passable median. But as soon as I go back to one of my other cars, I'm quickly reminded of how much easier it could be. I tried a throttle controller (not Vitesse), and that helped with the tip in, but then it was too sensitive everywhere else, so out it came. The feedback on the Mamo throttle body sounds very promising and I will definitely be purchasing one when I put my Camaro back on the road in the spring.

Nigel

[SHE'Z 18]

Can anyone give some insight as to whether changing the TB will negate the factory warranty? Not planning to tune. Just looking to (greatly) improve over the OEM TB. I've read through this entire thread and it's been asked a couple times, but sadly, nobody addresses it. Just looking for any thoughts from those that have been down this path.

Thanks everyone...

[staples87]

Originally Posted by SHE'Z 18

Can anyone give some insight as to whether changing the TB will negate the factory warranty? Not planning to tune. Just looking to (greatly) improve over the OEM TB. I've read through this entire thread and it's been asked a couple times, but sadly, nobody addresses it. Just looking for any thoughts from those that have been down this path.

Thanks everyone...

Could it void your factory warranty? Maybe... however it's unlikely. You're able to pull more air into the intake, but not to the point that it will lean your vehicle out dangerously. I can tell you from experience that this thing is very hard to detect, since it starts from an OEM throttle body.

I ordered the Mamo ported TB and the porting was absolutely beautiful. It's very smooth, it honestly looks like it came from the factory that way. Side by side you can see a difference, but I feel 100% comfortable going in for warranty work with it installed. I can tell you the average GM Technician WILL NOT have a clue.

There's always the other option.... If you're going in for warranty work and you feel uneasy, install the stock TB. It's about a 10-15 minute job.

[Markoz28]

Agree with previous post. They will not even look to tell the difference.

[SHE'Z 18]

Thanks for the feedback guys.. Any improvements/mods that can be done without worry are exactly what I'm on board with. Especially, something like this. I was considering a throttle controller (Pedal Commander or Vitesse) before coming across this thread. From everything I'm reading, changing the TB not only provides much better throttle response, but it also increases HP & Torque as well as eliminates the infamous "bog / lag" that we "manual guys" are experiencing. For me, it's worth the $$ right there. Are there any Camaro6 discounts that anyone is aware of?

Much appreciated...

[SJFGTO]

A dealer could deny a warranty claim if detected and the TB was the cause of the problem. But as stated, the TM TB appears exactly as a stock unit and it would be very difficult to detect. It is also very easy to replace before going to the dealer. I am not sure how much actual HP you would pick up, I have seen 5-7 HP increases on a dyno. The main benefit is a somewhat sharper throttle response in the low and mid range. In my opinion it is a cost effective mod.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by SHE'Z 18

Thanks for the feedback guys.. Any improvements/mods that can be done without worry are exactly what I'm on board with. Especially, something like this. I was considering a throttle controller (Pedal Commander or Vitesse) before coming across this thread. From everything I'm reading, changing the TB not only provides much better throttle response, but it also increases HP & Torque as well as eliminates the infamous "bog / lag" that we "manual guys" are experiencing. For me, it's worth the $$ right there. Are there any Camaro6 discounts that anyone is aware of?

Much appreciated...

Katech sells one where you don't have to ship our stock one in for core. That way you can swap it back if needed. It definitely voids your warranty and sometimes these ported TB can cause issues where you would be inclined to take it in for warranty work. It's always good to have the original if concerned about warranty. Also, don't you're not going to gain HP and TQ.

https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...5#post10451595

[BDivine76]

I had the same experience with Tony- incredible customer service. I Iive not far from his shop so I stopped by to pick mine up in person. Absolutely great guy that cares about what he does. I would highly recommend to anyone. It's relatively cheap and easy.

[ZL1 1LE]

Originally Posted by mlee

Katech sells one where you don't have to ship our stock one in for core. That way you can swap it back if needed. It definitely voids your warranty and sometimes these ported TB can cause issues where you would be inclined to take it in for warranty work. It's always good to have the original if concerned about warranty. Also, don't you're not going to gain HP and TQ.

https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...5#post10451595

Just to be clear, there is no core required for the TM TB either. He starts with brand new ones that he ports and you keep your original one as well.

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by SHE'Z 18

Thanks for the feedback guys.. Any improvements/mods that can be done without worry are exactly what I'm on board with. Especially, something like this. I was considering a throttle controller (Pedal Commander or Vitesse) before coming across this thread. From everything I'm reading, changing the TB not only provides much better throttle response, but it also increases HP & Torque as well as eliminates the infamous "bog / lag" that we "manual guys" are experiencing. For me, it's worth the $$ right there. Are there any Camaro6 discounts that anyone is aware of?

Much appreciated...

Well, I hate to be "Debbie Downer", but I had a Mamo TB on my ZL1 for over a month and experienced no change in throttle response or off idle lag. I put the stock TB back on my car and sold the Mamo TB to another member.

A lot of Camaro 6 members that swear by the Mamo TB. However, there are a few of us that have seen no difference in performance. Just wanted to make you aware that the Mamo TB isn't always the end all be all.

[Lt4zl1]

Everyone needs to understand the onstar is logging engine parameters. It logs air flow changes to torque limit changes I have verified this. So say you blow a motor or trans and put it back stock you never tuned it never took it in for service with any aftermarket parts. When it goes in the ecm comes out to be verified for programming they can be sent off too. If they choose they can also go to the onstar data. Even the ecm is going to hold some info on airflow it holds alcohol percent used in a history so can see if put e15 or e85 in it and caused it to go lean all these little things get held in memory or are logged by onstar and this is even if don’t pay or use it. I’m sure all of you at some point see your onstar limited services messages that’s the warranty baby sitter service GM applied to 2016 and up.
If you want to keep your warranty and have zero worries do not touch the car. If they see even the slightest max torque pid change and stay high it’s going to flag you with onstar. Then if you do have an issue blow up any drivetrain part engine trans or rear end they can use that info to void your warranty. I have seen this posted on corvetteforum on a z06 that had bolt ons had a issue and denied warranty even though no tune ever.
Understand something when you use bolt ons and don’t retune for it these cars use maf flow for the transmission the way it knows how much pressure the clutches need to hold. These things can get screwy when a cold air is used or throttle body so on and while many are afraid to tune it’s the safer way to apply bolt ons and not affect the vehicle in a negative way. And if this part this throttle body or cold air or spacer what ever bolt on your buying and using if it doesn’t trigger a flag or change then it’s not doing anything so is it really worth spending money on it? You don’t like how something is stock then do it right or leave it alone and enjoy the warranty while you have it. Personally I tuned my zl1 at 1800 miles once I knew I didn’t have factory flaws to worry about. The way most dealerships are now I don’t even want any of those clowns touching my car.
I just went to work for a soon to be big company and all of you will know about it soon as it’s going to be that big. It’s a company that provides on line diagnostics with a proprietary scanner built in house. Techs like myself tired of turning wrenches now sit at a computer and a shop hooks our scanner to the car and we through the internet diagnose the vehicle for a shop mostly been collision shops as government is mandating a pre and post scan for anything in an accident as it’s a safety thing to make sure the yaw sensor lat/ long sensors steering rate air bags abs auto braking lane keep bla bla all work properly after a company repairs your vehicle. GM just signed on to our company to get all dealerships our equipment to do engine trans body control all diagnostics.
My point is that in shop techs are that stupid they no longer feel comfortable in letting the people they pay in house fix your car rather try to figure out what’s actually wrong with it.
So you really want these “kids” turning wrenches on the car you might roll down the track at 100 mph plus? Not me sorry. I don’t trust in any of their abilities as no kids want to work on cars anymore and those that do are doing it as think it’s going to pay better then flipping burgers is my guess.
So while the guy sitting at the computer might tel them “hey this is what you need to fix” but they still have to do the work and keep that in mind the next time your going back and forth to the local dealer 2-5 times for the same issues like loose sway bar links that’s become very popular on here.
Do that or put on your parts and tune it enjoy the car runs better then stock gets better mpg and of course it’s much faster. You still have all the otheir warranty available broken cup holder radio screws up so on just no powrtrain which you really don’t want theee clowns works on anyway.

[Fatty1707]

i think this car is just fine the way it is. I wonder how many are experiencing Placebo effect?

[jvandy50]

Originally Posted by Lt4zl1

Everyone needs to understand the onstar is logging engine parameters. It logs air flow changes to torque limit changes I have verified this. So say you blow a motor or trans and put it back stock you never tuned it never took it in for service with any aftermarket parts. When it goes in the ecm comes out to be verified for programming they can be sent off too. If they choose they can also go to the onstar data. Even the ecm is going to hold some info on airflow it holds alcohol percent used in a history so can see if put e15 or e85 in it and caused it to go lean all these little things get held in memory or are logged by onstar and this is even if don’t pay or use it. I’m sure all of you at some point see your onstar limited services messages that’s the warranty baby sitter service GM applied to 2016 and up.
If you want to keep your warranty and have zero worries do not touch the car. If they see even the slightest max torque pid change and stay high it’s going to flag you with onstar. Then if you do have an issue blow up any drivetrain part engine trans or rear end they can use that info to void your warranty. I have seen this posted on corvetteforum on a z06 that had bolt ons had a issue and denied warranty even though no tune ever.
Understand something when you use bolt ons and don’t retune for it these cars use maf flow for the transmission the way it knows how much pressure the clutches need to hold. These things can get screwy when a cold air is used or throttle body so on and while many are afraid to tune it’s the safer way to apply bolt ons and not affect the vehicle in a negative way. And if this part this throttle body or cold air or spacer what ever bolt on your buying and using if it doesn’t trigger a flag or change then it’s not doing anything so is it really worth spending money on it? You don’t like how something is stock then do it right or leave it alone and enjoy the warranty while you have it. Personally I tuned my zl1 at 1800 miles once I knew I didn’t have factory flaws to worry about. The way most dealerships are now I don’t even want any of those clowns touching my car.
I just went to work for a soon to be big company and all of you will know about it soon as it’s going to be that big. It’s a company that provides on line diagnostics with a proprietary scanner built in house. Techs like myself tired of turning wrenches now sit at a computer and a shop hooks our scanner to the car and we through the internet diagnose the vehicle for a shop mostly been collision shops as government is mandating a pre and post scan for anything in an accident as it’s a safety thing to make sure the yaw sensor lat/ long sensors steering rate air bags abs auto braking lane keep bla bla all work properly after a company repairs your vehicle. GM just signed on to our company to get all dealerships our equipment to do engine trans body control all diagnostics.
My point is that in shop techs are that stupid they no longer feel comfortable in letting the people they pay in house fix your car rather try to figure out what’s actually wrong with it.
So you really want these “kids” turning wrenches on the car you might roll down the track at 100 mph plus? Not me sorry. I don’t trust in any of their abilities as no kids want to work on cars anymore and those that do are doing it as think it’s going to pay better then flipping burgers is my guess.
So while the guy sitting at the computer might tel them “hey this is what you need to fix” but they still have to do the work and keep that in mind the next time your going back and forth to the local dealer 2-5 times for the same issues like loose sway bar links that’s become very popular on here.
Do that or put on your parts and tune it enjoy the car runs better then stock gets better mpg and of course it’s much faster. You still have all the otheir warranty available broken cup holder radio screws up so on just no powrtrain which you really don’t want theee clowns works on anyway.

when the time comes that i need a little push, I'm gonna refer back to this post. makes total sense and a nice little pep talk