[6spdhyperblue]

I had random ppl, driving high dollar imports, come up to me at the track as I was in the staging lanes being like...did you see what they did to the 2019s and WTH were they thinking

I will say that the styling on the 2016 had been growing on me in the last few wekks so maybe they do know what they’re doing and the styling is just way too advanced in current model year, so advanced they are having issues selling today?

[fastball]

Originally Posted by lawguy85

Source?? I'm not seeing any here in Atlanta. The top 3 Chevrolet dealers have 1 2019 listed between them. There's certainly only a handful of 2019 posters here (tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more that lurk but are turned off from posting because of the reaction). There's very little anecdotal evidence to support your conjecture, I'm curious what you've seen that suggests these things are moving numbers?

I honestly don't see a point dunking on the 2019 front end now that people are driving/enjoying it, but it's equally asinine to pretend the design was a success or that if one doesn't find it aesthetically pleasing they're "haters" or have some sort of agenda.

Do a search for 2019 Camaros in all distances from your zip code on cars.com

There are more than a few at dealers across the country right now.

And just because a dealer is a big Chevy dealer doesn’t mean they get lots of Camaros. Depends on their percentage of Camaro and Corvette sales. Small dealers may gat larger selections of Camaros and Vettes.

[Detroit Muscle]

shoot...i dont know what to do now..

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Keep it simple and don't think about it. The 2019 SS front end sucked and they fixed it. Congrats to Camaro.

The change may please a few but in no way help sales to a point that is worth the change in production today , most of the people I talked to are just as unhappy with the rear as the front. The change may show up as a 2019.5 but more likely 2020 .

[bturner2]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

I purposely did not buy a ‘19 based on front end looks only. Whereas the ‘16-‘18 cars were virtually all the same, at that point it really didn’t matter which of those 3 years I bought. But getting a ‘17 leftover saved me at least $10K vs a ‘19, which I didn’t want anyway. And the money I saved went right to a blower and mods.

Just my 2 cents, but I just couldn’t live with the front end.

Being old I can remember this same thing happening to various cars over the ages. Dodge/Plymouth suffered the same way in the mid 70s when they decided to totally muck up Cuda's/Challangers and Duster/Demons. Then proceeded to totally screw the pouch when they super-sized their Chargers/Road Runners and turned their muscle cars in to "luxury sports sedans". Ford was famous for this as well with the Cougar/Thunderbird and came close to killing the Mustang with the last gen before the jumping off a bridge with the particularly bad Mustang II. In short they all missed the market and forced designs on their customers that their customers clearly didn't want.

For whatever reason it seems there is a burning desire to screw up a good thing. The only way I can reason something like this happens is that non car people somehow get in control of the design team. They then proceed to do unnatural things to a design to reach a larger market. Unfortunately what they end up with is a product that appeals to no one.

On the 19 SS grill.... just who were they targeting this at? It certainly wasn't the retro-muscle car guy or the Camaro enthusiast. Perhaps it was supposed to appeal to the "tuner boys" but I doubt that would bring them in.

And yeah IMO the tail lights are a loser as well. They just don't seem to flow and look like they were pulled off a shelf and stuck on. They look better with some colors but again these changes would have had me at the Ford or Chrysler dealership looking at Mustangs or Challengers.

[Lithias]

Honestly, I hope they offer both versions. I actually prefer the original refresh especially after seeing it in person. I waited specifically for the refresh to get a 6th gen so I could stand out. With this fix it just looks like more of the same to me.

If you have not seen a 2019 SS in person, you really have no idea how aggressive it looks. Pictures simply don't do the cat justice at all.

[KSA464]

I'm glad to see the writer of the article state:

The updated Camaro’s all-black, gaping maw was a bizarre choice that ruined its aggressive looks and made it seem, I don’t know, too tall? Too wide? It’s a mess.

This was my first reaction as well; no longer aggressive. "nice face with a smile". Moving that flowtie down made it look like an Accord mated with a new Silverado. However, I will agree that this alone is not the only issue with sales or a fix to turn things around.

[Detroit Muscle]

Originally Posted by ZED SLED

I'll be waiting for an official statement from GM

Same

[arpad_m]

Opinions on the refresh aside, one's gotta admit pulling this fix off via Chevy Performance is a genius move. No need to openly admit anything and no full alienation of pre-refresh gen6 buyers either, we can get the newest front fascia if we want.

[lawguy85]

Originally Posted by fastball

Do a search for 2019 Camaros in all distances from your zip code on cars.com

There are more than a few at dealers across the country right now.

Let's keep moving the goalpost, such a fun exercise. Is the argument dozens within hundreds of miles from a metro area of 10 million is a good thing?? If you don't see this argument hurt, not helps the assertion that the 2019 is a success or shipping en masse I really don't know what to tell you. The easiest refutation is how many 18s they had when I purchased mine in May or the new '18s my dealer just got/moved already, but I seriously doubt any actual reason would reach a refresh apologist at this point.

Anyway, it's pretty moot to debate until the sales numbers come out in Q4, but I look forward to the mental gymnastics you guys will do to try to spin the data.

[Lithias]

Originally Posted by lawguy85

Let's keep moving the goalpost, such a fun exercise. Is the argument dozens within hundreds of miles from a metro area of 10 million is a good thing?? If you don't see this argument hurt, not helps the assertion that the 2019 is a success or shipping en masse I really don't know what to tell you. The easiest refutation is how many 18s they had when I purchased mine in May or the new '18s my dealer just got/moved already, but I seriously doubt any actual reason would reach a refresh apologist at this point.

Anyway, it's pretty moot to debate until the sales numbers come out in Q4, but I look forward to the mental gymnastics you guys will do to try to spin the data.

I have been tracking movement of 2019s since production launch back in August. Most of the early production 2019s didn't even ship till almost end of September. They have barely begun to arrive on lots. There have been some weird delays in shipping the 2019s versus 2018s.

[shaffe]

Local Chevy dealer had a 2019 SS out in front of their lot so got to take a look while I drove by. Initial reaction to seeing it in person was same as the pictures. It looks awkward to me, like they didn't know exactly what to do with it. This "concept" front end looks 100 times better

[90503]

From the GM Authority article...:

"The Chevrolet faithful, muscle car enthusiasts, and otherwise vested automotive die-hards have been extremely vocal over the front-end design of the 2019 Camaro SS. A 455 horsepower pony car that’s received no shortage of praise for its performance and driving dynamics. Despite being able to dogfight cars twice or even three times its price on the road course, sales have contracted since the launch of the sixth-generation Camaro, and the design refresh has reportedly done little to change things, say dealers.
2019 Camaro SS models have made their way onto lots over the past month or so, but the take rate and interest in the vehicle has said to have dropped. Hence the snap decision to introduce a “concept” fascia design for the car during next week’s 2018 SEMA Show in Las Vegas. It’s said that the look, which colorizes the cross bar in the center fascia and moves the bowtie logo to the upper grille opening, is being fast-tracked for production, and replace the 2019 Camaro SS fascia as it stands."


Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/10/...#ixzz5UrFSBjkW


After only one month or so of being for sale, they are bailing out on their refresh look....I'm surprised they gave up so quickly. It seems they are really scrutinizing sales numbers. So much so that a quick re-do is warranted.....I'm surprised they didn't stick with it. It makes for a lot more confusion, doubt and uncertainty with potential customers. If the Refreshed Refresh doesn't produce the desired sales numbers, then what? The end?

[lawguy85]

Originally Posted by Lithias

I have been tracking movement of 2019s since production launch back in August. Most of the early production 2019s didn't even ship till almost end of September. They have barely begun to arrive on lots. There have been some weird delays in shipping the 2019s versus 2018s.

Occam's Razor. 90% of the car is the same car that's been in production for years. The shipping process is the shipping process, highly unlikely the refresh has any special concerns. The most likely reason is soft demand.

I'm truly astounded that with all the anecdotal evidence (negative reaction on Camaro/non-Camaro sites alike, literal booing at Camarofest, very few buyers showing off their new cars, people like me and several other who when out and bought a '18 after the reveal, the new front end months after the refresh shipped, a GM site with a great track record saying "this is being fast tracked", low dealer inventory) people still refuse to accept it's likely a dud. I guess it's clearly time for me to give up and just let false narratives propagate, the dearth of reason is insurmountable at this point.