[Quinten_33]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

I'm a bit confused. There's already a 1LE Turbo that uses the 2019 LT fascia. You're saying that would by insufficient for a V8?

He’s saying that it would be insufficient for a V8 1LE that’s meant to be pushed on a racetrack. There’s not enough intake in the facia to provide air for a V8 that’s being driven at 90% on track on a 95° summer day. BUT I can see GM dropping the 4-Piston rears, the summer-only tires, and a couple of auxiliary coolers (and the LSD, if they’re brave enough) and making a cheaper SS with the same base equipment as a Mustang GT or Chally R/T. If they claim in documents and the owners manual that the car is not suited for use on a racetrack, they don’t have to worry about it having track-ready cooling like the current SS.

[GrimReaperSS]

Originally Posted by Quinten_33

If they claim in documents and the owners manual that the car is not suited for use on a racetrack, they don’t have to worry about it having track-ready cooling like the current SS.

That didnt work out so well for Ford and the GT350 (W/O Track Package), they ended up in a lawsuit and ensuing GT350 models having the Track Package included. I do understand that there should be a mind set difference between a base V8 car and a higher end model like a GT350, but people suck, haha.

[GrimReaperSS]

Also, I'm going to speculate that its a new Z/28 model hiding in plain sight. Haha, someone has to do it.

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by Quinten_33

That would be great for Camaro sales, and I hope that you’re right. I think that the only other thing that they’d have under that hood is the 2.7L turbo I4, and that engine has already been smoothed out for the Silverado.

That is a pure full size truck motor only. No way it will go in anything other. The powerband and tq and design would make for a horrible driving Camaro.

[6sigma]

Originally Posted by 90503

The I 4 Turbo and V-6 1LEs basically just have the SS stock suspension that makes them a 1LE......The SS fascia has the provisions for the coolers and brake ducting for the V-8 SS and the V-8 1LE....


A non SS V-8 with LT fascia likely wouldn't cut it as a 1LE. It would likely be not recommended for track use.

I could be wrong, but I'm picturing the low-cost V8 to be an LT1 in as inexpensive of an LT or LS as possible...suspension, brakes, tires and wheels, and all....V-8 hp and street-rumble only...

I think that's a great idea. I just built a 1SS with just a few options like dual-mode exhaust and it's about $39k. This isn't a track-day special but rather a fun street car. I'd even take it with all-seasons so it could be used in winter without an extra set of wheels/tires. If base MSRP was in the low $30k range I think they'd have a big winner. I'd consider trading out of my V6 manual LT for one.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Quinten_33

He’s saying that it would be insufficient for a V8 1LE that’s meant to be pushed on a racetrack. There’s not enough intake in the facia to provide air for a V8 that’s being driven at 90% on track on a 95° summer day. BUT I can see GM dropping the 4-Piston rears, the summer-only tires, and a couple of auxiliary coolers (and the LSD, if they’re brave enough) and making a cheaper SS with the same base equipment as a Mustang GT or Chally R/T. If they claim in documents and the owners manual that the car is not suited for use on a racetrack, they don’t have to worry about it having track-ready cooling like the current SS.

You nailed what I was thinking. Currently, even the SS is track capable. A LT1 street model without the heavy duty cooling, without track brakes and all season tires. Compete with the basic GT or R/T

[DiGiam]

Just the thought that it may get away from the god awful SS front fascia has my interest peaked

[Quinten_33]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

That is a pure full size truck motor only. No way it will go in anything other. The powerband and tq and design would make for a horrible driving Camaro.

Wasn’t the 2.7 an option in the survey that GM sent out to Camaro owners? It peaks at the same point as the 2.0T, but it peaks with 310hp and 348lb-ft of torque. I’d take that for daily driving over the V6 or 2.0T, especially if it’s a base engine. That’s not to mention the added fuel efficiency.

[Quinten_33]

Originally Posted by GrimReaperSS

That didnt work out so well for Ford and the GT350 (W/O Track Package), they ended up in a lawsuit and ensuing GT350 models having the Track Package included. I do understand that there should be a mind set difference between a base V8 car and a higher end model like a GT350, but people suck, haha.

I thought that they advertised the GT350 as a track car, and provided instructions for track preparation. As long as GM claims that that Camaro is not appropriate for track use, and do so correctly, I don’t see how someone can form an effective lawsuit against GM.

[IOMCamaroSS]

Screw the C8's what's up with the Camaro cameraman? lol A smaller V8 with the better looking front end would be tempting...

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by Quinten_33

Wasn’t the 2.7 an option in the survey that GM sent out to Camaro owners? It peaks at the same point as the 2.0T, but it peaks with 310hp and 348lb-ft of torque. I’d take that for daily driving over the V6 or 2.0T, especially if it’s a base engine. That’s not to mention the added fuel efficiency.

Designed as a truck engine
The new 2.7L Turbo engine represents a clean-sheet design for Chevrolet and was developed from the outset as a truck engine.
To help generate the strong low-end torque customers expect in a truck, it was designed with a long piston stroke of 4.01 inches (102mm), which is the distance the piston travels up and down within the cylinder.
The long stroke enables improved combustion and thus a higher compression ratio. Typically, a long stroke can increase the load of the pistons against the cylinder walls, generating more friction. That’s alleviated in the 2.7L Turbo with an offset crankshaft. It is slightly off-center of the cylinders, allowing a more upright position for the connecting rods during their movement.

From Chevy themselves, It's a truck motor. No it wouldn't be nice to daily in a Camaro. Low redline, longer rod/stroke ratio, physical size. It has the characteristics of a small diesel not a performance car motor.

[Bhobbs]

If this was a prototype for a discount V8, you think this would have been camo’d up. It may be a power train mule for something else.

[samurai]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

If this was a prototype for a discount V8, you think this would have been camo’d up. It may be a power train mule for something else.

I guess a camo would have caught more attention than a wrong hood on the car

[50MileSmile]

Originally Posted by 90503

I could be wrong, but I'm picturing the low-cost V8 to be an LT1 in as inexpensive of an LT or LS as possible...suspension, brakes, tires and wheels, and all....V-8 hp and street-rumble only...

Sort of sounds like a Mustang GT - not even the Mustang PPs that are not designed to run on the track...

BTW, the 1LE for the 4-cylinder does include heavy-duty cooling including, engine oil cooler, dual outboard radiators and rear differential cooler.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

If this was a prototype for a discount V8, you think this would have been camo’d up. It may be a power train mule for something else.

Or it just could have been a Camaro used for past testing that Chevy pulled out of its mule pool as a guard dog for the real prototypes on this trip.