[ICTsccaCamaro]

Originally Posted by Gen5_1Le

There already is a 1Le forum , it's a 1Le . It's not like it's a z28

The non-existent Z/28

[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by Artos

lol...I have no dog in the fight but that's how I see it too & maybe we should have a separate A10 section too. These Cars are so similar and so few being built that I see no logic but it's not my site.

I check in at least once a day & not once EVER seen enough 'new /updated posts' to look at the 2nd page in this ZL1 section.

I bet there would still be requests even if the mods decided to re-name this sub category to ZL1 & ZL1 1LE topics.

Yep. It's been beat to death, really. I don't much care one way or another as most of the useful stuff is in the Track subs anyways and it's not that hard to determine relevance to trim/model. However, for some data points so I'm not thumbs down w/o at least showing them..

The ZL1 and its 1LE up-level have different wheels/tires -- OK, several base ZL1s have already changed up tires -- so, their feed back is technically irrelevant to those of us on OEM tires.

There's MRC vs DSSV --- Ok, so, some of us can tinker with the DSC controller the other of us adjust their suspension settings manually and with more options (though, we both have several shared parts).

None of the aero on the car is adjustable, so it's not like there's going to be talks about wing angle and height, or which dive planes and endplates to use on which tracks.

Base ZL1s can't talk about when to shift because that will depend on whether you're a 10R90 or TR-6060 based car and now with 1LE it's just be another "I shift here" comment since they have revised ratios.

Pretty sure no one is going to need to discuss thinner rear glass and fixed position rear seat for tracking.

The brakes are 100% the same, save for the color and 1LE badge. Same compound, lines, calipers, rotors, etc. So.. what works for one, works for the other. Now, I can see us non-1LE guys using up pads faster due to having less tire and down force, but that's more a gripe from us, not from having to read on threads about non-existent issues.

Track prep is fixed at 15W-50 vs our 0w/5w 40 options that we can leave in -- however, we do still have the 15W-50 option for track use, with the same "change after" requirement the 1LE does. Though, I think their change timer is way shorter.

I just don't think there's enough of them out there, that will actually track and mod, to make it worth a slow sub-forum where people will just X-post over to the Track/Road/Auto-X sub anyways.. OR in the ZL1 main sub where like 98% of the rest of the car will be relevant for everything else identical on the car where us non1LE Z people will be talking about.. Engine, interior, seats, PDR, cooling and braking, chassis setup, etc.

[LAMAKINA2]

Here is one more to add to the list.
Just got mine today

Originally Posted by Mr. Meh

Yep. It's been beat to death, really. I don't much care one way or another as most of the useful stuff is in the Track subs anyways and it's not that hard to determine relevance to trim/model. However, for some data points so I'm not thumbs down w/o at least showing them..

The ZL1 and its 1LE up-level have different wheels/tires -- OK, several base ZL1s have already changed up tires -- so, their feed back is technically irrelevant to those of us on OEM tires.

There's MRC vs DSSV --- Ok, so, some of us can tinker with the DSC controller the other of us adjust their suspension settings manually and with more options (though, we both have several shared parts).

None of the aero on the car is adjustable, so it's not like there's going to be talks about wing angle and height, or which dive planes and endplates to use on which tracks.

Base ZL1s can't talk about when to shift because that will depend on whether you're a 10R90 or TR-6060 based car and now with 1LE it's just be another "I shift here" comment since they have revised ratios.

Pretty sure no one is going to need to discuss thinner rear glass and fixed position rear seat for tracking.

The brakes are 100% the same, save for the color and 1LE badge. Same compound, lines, calipers, rotors, etc. So.. what works for one, works for the other. Now, I can see us non-1LE guys using up pads faster due to having less tire and down force, but that's more a gripe from us, not from having to read on threads about non-existent issues.

Track prep is fixed at 15W-50 vs our 0w/5w 40 options that we can leave in -- however, we do still have the 15W-50 option for track use, with the same "change after" requirement the 1LE does. Though, I think their change timer is way shorter.

I just don't think there's enough of them out there, that will actually track and mod, to make it worth a slow sub-forum where people will just X-post over to the Track/Road/Auto-X sub anyways.. OR in the ZL1 main sub where like 98% of the rest of the car will be relevant for everything else identical on the car where us non1LE Z people will be talking about.. Engine, interior, seats, PDR, cooling and braking, chassis setup, etc.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Put it in the Ask Al section. That will kick the can down the road a few months.

[collinms]

I don't get all the hype to be honest. I would have bought one if I wanted one. I'd rather have my A10 and MRC. I get it if you only track it, but let's be honest if that's the case why not use the corvette platform to start with? Lighter and infinite upgrade potential for probably cheaper. The 1le is a nice car but no need to act like it's a huge leap forward. They are basically the same damn car minus aero and stickier tires.

[VAZL1]

Originally Posted by Mr. Meh

I'm still grappling with how less of a man I am for having an automatic.

[Alain]

I conqur. Needs its own forum

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by collinms

I don't get all the hype to be honest. I would have bought one if I wanted one. I'd rather have my A10 and MRC. I get it if you only track it, but let's be honest if that's the case why not use the corvette platform to start with? Lighter and infinite upgrade potential for probably cheaper. The 1le is a nice car but no need to act like it's a huge leap forward. They are basically the same damn car minus aero and stickier tires.

There is no Corvette that is cheaper that will out perform the ZL1 1LE...at least not new cost, and you can't compare used or modded, that's apples to oranges.

I will add that only the Camaro Team has been able to keep the LT4 cool as well, the LT4 Corvettes still have over-temp problems even with the updates to the Z06s.

1LE also gets Multimatic Spool valve shocks...the package is a great value for what it is, don't downplay what it accomplished because you aren't into lapping your ZL1.

[Trans damm]

Originally Posted by collinms

I don't get all the hype to be honest. I would have bought one if I wanted one. I'd rather have my A10 and MRC. I get it if you only track it, but let's be honest if that's the case why not use the corvette platform to start with? Lighter and infinite upgrade potential for probably cheaper. The 1le is a nice car but no need to act like it's a huge leap forward. They are basically the same damn car minus aero and stickier tires.

Seriously. I’m trading in my C7 Z07 “track pack” for a “base” ZL1. One of the main reasons is I want the A10. My wife thinks the 1le looks overdone and childish, she doesn’t appreciate its capability but I also think it’s a bit much to take to dinner and work ect.. for a strict track weapon I can understand it.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

There is no Corvette that is cheaper that will out perform the ZL1 1LE...at least not new cost, and you can't compare used or modded, that's apples to oranges.

I will add that only the Camaro Team has been able to keep the LT4 cool as well, the LT4 Corvettes still have over-temp problems even with the updates to the Z06s.

1LE also gets Multimatic Spool valve shocks...the package is a great value for what it is, don't downplay what it accomplished because you aren't into lapping your ZL1.

[rodrig7521]

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[Joe Remi]

As a non-owner currently perusing this forum to decide what Camaro to buy, dividing the ZL1 into trim-specific forums sounds ridiculous. It's the same car with different packages, I'm happy to keep reading about both (and the convertible) in the same spot.

[Dixie ZL1]

Originally Posted by Joe Remi

As a non-owner currently perusing this forum to decide what Camaro to buy, dividing the ZL1 into trim-specific forums sounds ridiculous. It's the same car with different packages, I'm happy to keep reading about both (and the convertible) in the same spot.

You’re right on point. The 1LE is just and option package of the ZL1. Beat to have all ZL1 topics consolidated.

As a simple example..... front rotor options are a significant topic.... do we really want to search two locations for updates. Anything engine or trans related is the same story. They only real difference is the wheels, shocks, aero, and subframe mounts.

ZL1 should remain a single sub group.

[fosterelli]

Originally Posted by collinms

They are basically the same damn car minus aero and stickier tires.

The most significant factor of the 1LE is the one thing you don't list in your "basically the same" summary. It's the suspension, not the tires or the aero, that make this car special. Anyone can add dive planes, a high spoiler, and sticky tires. I've seen Civics with them!

We considered the Z06, even though I hate Corvettes more than I hate GM (and that's saying something). The pricing was surprisingly close. But the suspension is what kept me leaning towards the ZLE.

I also liked the rarity (very low production numbers of ZLE), that it's not a Vette (if I want to be in that field I'll buy something European), and finally because of the ZLE's suspension and long-term track fun I plan on having (this car is not a daily driver). I'll be lucky to hit 5,000 miles before year one is up...in nine months we've only managed 3500 miles. 5 years from now, she'll probably have less than 30K miles and be tracked almost exclusively...which is where this suspension shines.

I've had my share of magnetic ride suspensions, including the Escalade's. Meh.
And of course it probably goes without saying, short of 1969, Yenko, any COPO, and the ZLE, I am not a Camaro fan at all...not even a little bit. Last on my list.