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Balzdeep · 08-01-2018, 07:47 AM

ADM is for those whom $$ is not a concern and being the “first” to have something is very important to their ego. BS. Same thing shopping box stores online and you have to give them zip code to determine your $ for products based off where you live... Merica!

TRZ06 · 08-01-2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by germanicus

There are consumers who pay the ADM. They believe that the vehicle is worth paying the ADM to acquire the product. Those consumers are therefore part of 'the market' simply because they are willing to pay that amount, and follow through with the sale. Is everyone in the market for a Bullitt willing to pay the ADM? Probably not. Only the dealers know. It's not rocket science. Limited supply, high demand. Set a price, see if people pay it. If not, drop the price. This is basic supply and demand.

People may scoff, mock, and laugh at those who pay higher ADM. But - why would you care? You realize that most share that exact same derision for people who buy Pony cars in general (paying for a vehicle with higher performance metrics, which one will likely never need to meet the basic function of transportation - travel A to B). For those with emotional attachments to their vehicles, they look beyond the 'rational'.

I did not pay an ADM for my vehicle (I got a PP GT for mid 32k including taxes/fees), but if I truly coveted a product, I would pay whatever value I thought it was worth. I do for guitars.

A friend of mine is thinking of getting a new 911 Turbo for north of $160,000. It makes the ADM on the Bullitt look trivial (I understand how good the 911 is, but from my perspective it aint worth that money- to him it is).

This is why it is hard to judge. Everyone put a value on something and what it is worth to them. Everybody is different.

The same happens in the stock market and especially in the crypto market where it is all based on speculation.

Things have value because people desire something, and the more people who desire that same thing, no matter what it is, will have an increased value.

It's very simple and yet very complex at the same time.

My dream car is a GT3 RS, if I was rich and money was not an issue, I would easily pay a ADM.

Would I ever pay a ADM on a mass produced car and especially a GM product, HELL NO. They depreciate like a rock and after the hype is over GM whores them out with discounts and incentives.

Coming out of a $75K 2016 M3 into a 2018 SS 1LE and based on the 1LE's performance and quality as a whole, I would have paid $60K for it and it would have been worth it. Luckily for me, I only had to pay $44K. After having the M3 for 3 years, I will never buy a new M3 again. The cost to value is not there.

I realize this is about the Mustang, but the same rules apply here.

torqueaddict · 08-01-2018, 05:00 PM

Objectively speaking, the Bullit is not worth it when compared to the competition. Its price was hyped up over MSRP due to expected demand not as a result of actual demand. It's almost like price fixing. But whether someone thinks it's worth it to them or not, does not make them any less of a sucker, IMO.

torqueaddict · 08-01-2018, 09:32 PM

Same day, same track. Guess who won?

And it's not like they made one run. Both auto.

Balzdeep · 08-02-2018, 07:54 AM

Coyote going to get LT1 up top. Good launch helps even the odds.

BlaqWhole · 08-02-2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by torqueaddict

Same day, same track. Guess who won?

And it's not like they made one run. Both auto.

Looks like the GT needs more than a quarter mile to beat the SS. He started reeling him in boy. But not by the end of the quarter. 115 to 114 says a lot. Interestingly enough tho, my FBO 10 SS did 113s in the quarter. Best I could get was a 12.8. M6 tho.

BlaqWhole · 08-02-2018, 08:59 AM

Quick review of my test drive of an 18 GT:

18 GT A10 3.15 gears 18K miles

I can see why the Mustang boys are frothing at the mouth over this car. It is fast. Although I am not impressed, I will say that I was pleasantly surprised. And I'll also add that a lot of the hype surrounding the 18 GT is highly exaggerated. But I'll get to that later.

First impressions are that it does look nice and it definitely sounds good. While driving, if you get on it, it sounds like it has an aftermarket exhaust. That is just driving it as is without changing any driving modes. It is fun and easy to drive. And it will turn heads for sure.

For the engine, I give Ford props. They did a good job with it. Although it lacks low end grunt, horribly, it does have that top end pull. It felt similar to how my S550 GT felt after I did the GT350 IM, TB, and tune. It just pulls. If merging into traffic from a roll you shouldn't have any problems. But you'll need some room when getting onto the highway from a dead stop. It almost felt as if the engine was gonna stall on me. I mean, it was almost lifeless from a dig. But a 40 drop and it was alive as hell. I would definitely say it is on par with the SS now. From a 40 roll tho I'd say the GT is clearly the winner.

The trans was a bit tricky. It felt like there was a miscommunication between me and it. For reference, from day 1 my ZL1 A10 trans felt like there was a psychic connection between us. Even now it always knows exactly when to shift and into what gear. It damn near anticipates what I'm doing next and is a step ahead of me. The GT A10 however felt like it was short shifting from a dig. And it felt unsure of itself. Like it wanted to shift at certain points but hesitated a bit and then finally went ahead and shifted. But at that point it should have been down shifting or staying where it was. I did not feel comfortably because it felt out of sync with me. Maybe it would just take some getting used to.

The handling is ok for a car on this level. Same with the brakes. They left a lot on the table with this car. If you get the base GT and plan to throw boost at it, you'll need to upgrade the suspension and brakes for sure.

Overall ride quality was good. The car was reasonably comfy. It was easier to get in and out of over the Camaro. But once in the Camaro the feel inspires more confident driving. I doubt I'd take the GT to the limits I'd take even my 5th Gen SS (when I had it).

I can say the GT is a very nice car. I would personally get the Premium with 401a option group and then slap a blower on it and do up the suspension and brakes if I was gonna get one. But this car is clearly not a competitor to the Hellcat or the ZL1 or anything above the level of a SS or SRT8. I say this because it seems there are tons of videos with people trying to match it up with and compare it to these higher HP cars. If you're coming from a bolt-on S197 GT or a 15-17 GT or even a 5th Gen SS then I could definitely see a person thinking it is faster than it is. But if you're coming from faster cars you will be pleased but it will not be enough. After driving the GT I drove back home in my Hellcat and thought to myself "that car is fast but damn, my Hellcat is a monster", lol!! And I'm not seeing any way a tune or anything short of boost will put it on that level either. It just isn't there. Again, I think a lot of these kids are coming from slower cars and the GT being the fastest car they've experienced has them thinking it is faster than it is. Almost like they can't imagine being walked by in it. But trust me, Anything above a SS or SRT8 will eat it up but good.

Would I buy one? I think I would. It is not a bad car at all. It is fun and exciting to drive. And if you can keep it in it's sweet spot then you'll enjoy it. But it would need boost and other work to satisfy me. I decided against this one in particular as I wouldn't want a base model. I figured that after driving it. If I come across a sweet deal on a used one with some options then I might consider it. Would I buy one over a SS? If I did it would only be because they respond better to boost than the current SS. But it would take some thought.

That's my quick review!!

FastCarFanBoy · 08-02-2018, 09:59 AM

^^ Dare I say a fair review..ouch.

The A10 is too slushy when not in sport+ or drag. Sport+ is how it should be standard, but I guess thats why they give you modes to choose.

shaffe · 08-02-2018, 10:05 AM

Very fair and honest review Blaq.

Koldunic · 08-02-2018, 11:03 AM

The 2018 GT definitively sound better than the S550.

It actually sound great.

torqueaddict · 08-02-2018, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Quick review of my test drive of an 18 GT:

18 GT A10 3.15 gears 18K miles

Good detailed review. I don't think it would take an SS at 40 mph though. Higher, yes, it would start to walk way but only the A10. The manual, no. It's funny how most only focus on the A10. Except for the MT82 issues, hardly anyone talks about manual performance wise.

Still, I'd like to test one out to see what the big hoopla is. I know the lack of low end grunt would be a big turn off, but it would be interesting to get a firsthand perspective.

FastCarFanBoy · 08-02-2018, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by torqueaddict

Good detailed review. I don't think it would take an SS at 40 mph though. Higher, yes, it would start to walk way but only the A10. The manual, no. It's funny how most only focus on the A10. Except for the MT82 issues, hardly anyone talks about manual performance wise.

Still, I'd like to test one out to see what the big hoopla is. I know the lack of low end grunt would be a big turn off, but it would be interesting to get a firsthand perspective.

you don't by manual cars for their performance anymore... now its all about "feeling connected".

does feeling good while getting your ass beat really feel that good?

torqueaddict · 08-02-2018, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you don't by manual cars for their performance anymore... now its all about "feeling connected".

does feeling good while getting your ass beat really feel that good?

Ask a Mustang GT manual driver that. I wouldn't know, the M6 SS can hold its own

FastCarFanBoy · 08-02-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by torqueaddict

Ask a Mustang GT manual driver that. I wouldn't know, the M6 SS can hold its own

If by "holding its own" you mean losing to any comparable auto , then yes it sure can.

bottom line is this... manual transmissions are becoming a hindrance to the performance potential of performance cars and in a game where you are constantly trying to put up better numbers than your competition it will at some point either be phased out entirely or be offered as an option for purists, but at some point the bean counters will put an end to that. Enjoy it while you can.

08-01-2018, 07:47 AM	#2115
Balzdeep Drives: Wicked Fast Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Midwest Posts: 54	ADM is for those whom $$ is not a concern and being the “first” to have something is very important to their ego. BS. Same thing shopping box stores online and you have to give them zip code to determine your $ for products based off where you live... Merica!

08-01-2018, 05:00 PM	#2117
torqueaddict Drives: Tesla M3 LR-AWD [Former 1SS owner] Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Miami Posts: 950	Objectively speaking, the Bullit is not worth it when compared to the competition. Its price was hyped up over MSRP due to expected demand not as a result of actual demand. It's almost like price fixing. But whether someone thinks it's worth it to them or not, does not make them any less of a sucker, IMO.

08-02-2018, 07:54 AM	#2119
Balzdeep Drives: Wicked Fast Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Midwest Posts: 54	Coyote going to get LT1 up top. Good launch helps even the odds.

08-02-2018, 08:59 AM	#2121
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Quick review of my test drive of an 18 GT: 18 GT A10 3.15 gears 18K miles I can see why the Mustang boys are frothing at the mouth over this car. It is fast. Although I am not impressed, I will say that I was pleasantly surprised. And I'll also add that a lot of the hype surrounding the 18 GT is highly exaggerated. But I'll get to that later. First impressions are that it does look nice and it definitely sounds good. While driving, if you get on it, it sounds like it has an aftermarket exhaust. That is just driving it as is without changing any driving modes. It is fun and easy to drive. And it will turn heads for sure. For the engine, I give Ford props. They did a good job with it. Although it lacks low end grunt, horribly, it does have that top end pull. It felt similar to how my S550 GT felt after I did the GT350 IM, TB, and tune. It just pulls. If merging into traffic from a roll you shouldn't have any problems. But you'll need some room when getting onto the highway from a dead stop. It almost felt as if the engine was gonna stall on me. I mean, it was almost lifeless from a dig. But a 40 drop and it was alive as hell. I would definitely say it is on par with the SS now. From a 40 roll tho I'd say the GT is clearly the winner. The trans was a bit tricky. It felt like there was a miscommunication between me and it. For reference, from day 1 my ZL1 A10 trans felt like there was a psychic connection between us. Even now it always knows exactly when to shift and into what gear. It damn near anticipates what I'm doing next and is a step ahead of me. The GT A10 however felt like it was short shifting from a dig. And it felt unsure of itself. Like it wanted to shift at certain points but hesitated a bit and then finally went ahead and shifted. But at that point it should have been down shifting or staying where it was. I did not feel comfortably because it felt out of sync with me. Maybe it would just take some getting used to. The handling is ok for a car on this level. Same with the brakes. They left a lot on the table with this car. If you get the base GT and plan to throw boost at it, you'll need to upgrade the suspension and brakes for sure. Overall ride quality was good. The car was reasonably comfy. It was easier to get in and out of over the Camaro. But once in the Camaro the feel inspires more confident driving. I doubt I'd take the GT to the limits I'd take even my 5th Gen SS (when I had it). I can say the GT is a very nice car. I would personally get the Premium with 401a option group and then slap a blower on it and do up the suspension and brakes if I was gonna get one. But this car is clearly not a competitor to the Hellcat or the ZL1 or anything above the level of a SS or SRT8. I say this because it seems there are tons of videos with people trying to match it up with and compare it to these higher HP cars. If you're coming from a bolt-on S197 GT or a 15-17 GT or even a 5th Gen SS then I could definitely see a person thinking it is faster than it is. But if you're coming from faster cars you will be pleased but it will not be enough. After driving the GT I drove back home in my Hellcat and thought to myself "that car is fast but damn, my Hellcat is a monster", lol!! And I'm not seeing any way a tune or anything short of boost will put it on that level either. It just isn't there. Again, I think a lot of these kids are coming from slower cars and the GT being the fastest car they've experienced has them thinking it is faster than it is. Almost like they can't imagine being walked by in it. But trust me, Anything above a SS or SRT8 will eat it up but good. Would I buy one? I think I would. It is not a bad car at all. It is fun and exciting to drive. And if you can keep it in it's sweet spot then you'll enjoy it. But it would need boost and other work to satisfy me. I decided against this one in particular as I wouldn't want a base model. I figured that after driving it. If I come across a sweet deal on a used one with some options then I might consider it. Would I buy one over a SS? If I did it would only be because they respond better to boost than the current SS. But it would take some thought. That's my quick review!!

08-02-2018, 09:59 AM	#2122
FastCarFanBoy Banned Drives: 2013 GB GT Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Florida Posts: 954	^^ Dare I say a fair review..ouch. The A10 is too slushy when not in sport+ or drag. Sport+ is how it should be standard, but I guess thats why they give you modes to choose.

08-02-2018, 11:03 AM	#2124
Koldunic Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Canada Posts: 189	The 2018 GT definitively sound better than the S550. It actually sound great.

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