[LuvMI]

Originally Posted by bdavies11

Not sure how you came to a conclusion like that? How do you know what does the trick for me? Did I state somewhere that I replaced my summer tires with all-seasons? I simply made the argument that MOST drivers would never be able to take full advantage of summer tires, due to many factors. Nothing wrong with putting a tire on that does well in most driving conditions.

I know the differences between all-seasons and summer only and what each are capable of. I'm assuming you do to. My point was, most don't care so much and would rather have a good tire for all conditions, rather than a great tire for just one condition. No reason to scratch your head too hard over that.

+10.

Plenty of reasons why I had to have this car: ultimate speed is just not at the top of my list (pure joy of it, SS, V8 power, the growl, nostalgic, the way my 6 yr old’s eyes light up each time he pushes start and rides along).

I’m str8 with a good ultra performance a/s (once my summer tires are dead) that’s fully capable of getting after if I need to. Then again, I plan to baby my SS forever. Hell, Gen6 might be the last styling decision GM makes that I like.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by bdavies11

Not sure how you came to a conclusion like that? How do you know what does the trick for me? Did I state somewhere that I replaced my summer tires with all-seasons? I simply made the argument that MOST drivers would never be able to take full advantage of summer tires, due to many factors. Nothing wrong with putting a tire on that does well in most driving conditions.

I know the differences between all-seasons and summer only and what each are capable of. I'm assuming you do to. My point was, most don't care so much and would rather have a good tire for all conditions, rather than a great tire for just one condition. No reason to scratch your head too hard over that.

I agree. I switched to Michelin all seasons and can feel the loss of performance from the stock Goodyear’s in everyday driving. It’s a trade off so it is what it is but the allseasons certainly mask the level of greatness of the car. If the car came with allseasons I probably wouldn’t know.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by waterman

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A lot of us older guys learned to drive performance cars in a totally analog mode without nannies or performance modes. There were no participation trophies then.., You earned it.

My suggestion is to adjust your driving behavior based on the existing conditions.

Don't blame it on the car or the tires. You are the monkey turning the crank. Understand the available power and conditions. Take responsibility for your actions.

With that said, I have operated a C6 Vette ZR1 on MSC2s on street and track. Wet and dry. Though I have not experienced GY E SC3s, their 3Rs are the most amazing rubber that I have ever experienced. However, looking at their tread pattern and profile, I would not expect them to perform in wet conditions. If I got caught in the rain, I would adjust my driving accordingly. For what it's worth, I doubt that I would ever switch to the available snow/rain nannies. I'm a grown man and experienced driver... I can handle it.

No disrespect intended, just saying.

I've been driving cars between 300 and 500 HP ever since I got my license in 2004. There's a huge weakness on wet roads the SS has compared to anything I've driven, to the decree where slowing down just isn't enough. My car will break loose even when its dry at times for absolutely no reason at all. I'm not making 90 degree turns at 40 MPH, I've lived in Seattle where it rains every day -- I know how to handle a car in the rain, but the SS on stock tires requires unreasonable accommodation for those conditions compared to similarly powered vehicles. I'm not doing 70 in a rain storm..but when Im hydroplaning to the decree where I barely have control at 40 MPH and everyone is wizzing by me at 70 putting me in the potential of getting hit .. there's a problem ..

[mmadden2]

I drove mine home from purchase point in NY for about 250 miles south down 95 (NY to DC) in fairly constant and heavy rain, I didn't love it, but drove sensibly and survived.

The Goodyears (@ $1500/set) start with 8/32 of tread depth, that's not a ton to start with, considering cars fail inspection at 2/32.

All-season options (for generally less money) start with more tread, leaving a little more room for rain water. A few 32nds doesn't seem like much but maybe each 32nd could be about 10% more water space? And I assume their tread patterns are more maximized to evacuate water vs putting the power down which I could live with.

Some starting tread depths from Tirerack (in the sizes that fit my 2017 2SS)...

BFG G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S, 9/32" f/r
COOPER ZEON RS3-G1, 10.5/32" front/10/32" rear
GENERAL G-MAX AS-05, 10/32" f/r
CONTINENTAL EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06, 10/32" f/r
PIRELLI P ZERO NERO ALL SEASON, 10/32" f/r

I'm happy to use up my Goodyear tread until it's gone but then I'll probably switch to Non-RF tire with longer treadlife/deeper starting tread/all-season/cheaper.

The other thing is that I want to drive my Camaro all year (in clear weather), and I'm under the impression that the GYs aren't supposed to be out in weather under 40F? All-seasons would fix that for me without getting a dedicated winter set since I have no intention of ever driving it in snow.

I did buy a Modern Spare so that helps with loosing the RF attribute. Also, I live near several sets of train tracks and they are fairly bone jarring vs my other cars, maybe non-RF tires would soften that up some.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by mmadden2

Also, I live near several sets of train tracks and they are fairly bone jarring vs my other cars, maybe non-RF tires would soften that up some.

Oh they will, a lot

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

I've been driving cars between 300 and 500 HP ever since I got my license in 2004. There's a huge weakness on wet roads the SS has compared to anything I've driven, to the decree where slowing down just isn't enough. My car will break loose even when its dry at times for absolutely no reason at all. I'm not making 90 degree turns at 40 MPH, I've lived in Seattle where it rains every day -- I know how to handle a car in the rain, but the SS on stock tires requires unreasonable accommodation for those conditions compared to similarly powered vehicles. I'm not doing 70 in a rain storm..but when Im hydroplaning to the decree where I barely have control at 40 MPH and everyone is wizzing by me at 70 putting me in the potential of getting hit .. there's a problem ..

That's strange. While I agree the Goodyears aren't the best in the wet, their dry performance have been good. The only time I've broken them loose was during semi-hard launching and accelerating around corners. And they recovered quickly.

Aside from the one instance where I accelerated to merge and hydroplaned slightly in the wet, I can't really say they've been horrible in the rain at lower speeds. And I've definitely driven them higher than 40mph in the rain. I'd say as high as 55-60mph on the freeway depending on the traction feel at the time. How worn are your tires? Mine still has a lot of thread life.

[satanschariot666]

are you guys handing out purple hearts to eachother now

[LuvMI]

Originally Posted by satanschariot666

are you guys handing out purple hearts to eachother now

I’ll take one.

[nelsont]

Originally Posted by nelsont

So rain into a small rain storm this afternoon while driving on the freeway with my 2018 2SS M6 Hotwheels Convertible.
Talk about a pucker moment, the car got all kinds of loose! Felt like the tires were hydroplaning rather than dispersing the water. Really glad it only lasted about 5 minutes. Gotta say not impressed with the Goodyears!

Had 2 sets of the P Zero's on my 5th Gen and they were great in the rain.


Is this a common complaint for the Goodyears or is it just me?


Tim

Well now that the shit storm has subsided would like to thank all for there input. My question was answered for the most part, when you weed out the "learn to drive' comments.
Cant wait to wear out the GY and replace with more rain friendly tire. Until then will be on alert when ever thunder boomers are present.

Thanks again, Tim

[redcoats1976]

have had no complaints with pirelli p zeroes that came on my 2015.i drive at 75 plus on the highway in the rain.even with 34,000 miles on them they are fine in the rain.im having a hard time believing that chevy would make the 6th gen undriveable in the rain,so it has to be the goodyears.lots of complaints about them on the pontiac solstice forum also.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

have had no complaints with pirelli p zeroes that came on my 2015.i drive at 75 plus on the highway in the rain.even with 34,000 miles on them they are fine in the rain.im having a hard time believing that chevy would make the 6th gen undriveable in the rain,so it has to be the goodyears.lots of complaints about them on the pontiac solstice forum also.

My personal belief is they used summer tires because the car is OP as f*ck for a stock car and found difficulties controlling it with any standard tire they have a contract for under their inventory...it was the next best move so to speak. Its real easy to break the grip in a SS if you don't know how to handle a performance vehicle, thus they had to make the car reasonably easy to drive for the MASSES, many of which never got their hands on a STOCK car at 455 HP... not just the performance crowd...thus we get summer tires.

[gpskinzhut]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

My personal belief is they used summer tires because the car is OP as f*ck for a stock car and found difficulties controlling it with any standard tire they have a contract for under their inventory...it was the next best move so to speak. Its real easy to break the grip in a SS if you don't know how to handle a performance vehicle, thus they had to make the car reasonably easy to drive for the MASSES, many of which never got their hands on a STOCK car at 455 HP... not just the performance crowd...thus we get summer tires.

Have to disagree. Maybe if you turn off the nannies it can get twitchy in the right conditions, but with them on it's very well mannered. It's not like it's a '67 427 Cobra. And there's a lot of options for summer tires that have far better wet manners than the F1's do.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by gpskinzhut

Have to disagree. Maybe if you turn off the nannies it can get twitchy in the right conditions, but with them on it's very well mannered. It's not like it's a '67 427 Cobra. And there's a lot of options for summer tires that have far better wet manners than the F1's do.

Yeah thats for someone who's been accustomed to high power vehicles such as ourselves and we often forget...we are a minority of Camaro buyers... Chevy is marketing this car for everyone, including your mom and pap who isn't used to anything stronger than a Malibu. If they just depended on the performance crowd their buyer base would be cut down to about 20% of what it currently is. The use of summer tires along with the rest of the traction control systems are employed for the lowest possible chance of the vehicle losing traction for your average buyer who isn't used to anything more than 250 HP.

I can break grip on my car applying anything more than 3/8ths throttle in a straight line on dry ground with ease as well from anything less than 25 MPH. She often times tries to test me to see if she can get away from me. Not trying to brag.. its fun -- but I can see this being a issue for the average john doe car buyer.

[Nvr2tall4SS]

This happened to me with the Goodyear F1 on my 17 2SS. I had just bought the car an hour earlier in Miami and was driving back to Orlando. It was raining heavy and I had dropped my speed. I had driving in the same type rain in my 13 RS for years and never had issues. I hydroplaned over three lanes of I95 before I got control. Now I put in in Snow/ice mode as soon as it starts to rain. Worse nightmare is wrecking your car on the drive home from the dealer. I have 9k on the F1's now and will be replacing soon. They are the least favorite tire I have ever had. I guess they would be ok if it wasn't my daily driver.