[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

The Camaro SS has proven itself to be quicker than the mag times regardless of what the naysayers think. If the A8 brought sub 12s, no reason the A10 wouldn't.

For the mags though, Chevy needs to take a page from Ford's playbook and hire an Evan Smith equivalent. A track should be prepped and a day chosen with the perfect weather conditions. He / she should spend all day getting used to the car's habits. Oh, and they should play around with the tire pressure and who knows what else.

11's guaranteed. They can then sell the published info to other mags so it becomes 'official'.

Yep

Lots of mags run cars on full tanks to get accurate curb weights is another thing that comes to mind

Getting a dedicated track test done would add a tenth from running it near empty alone. Then do Perfect prep. Great DA/weather at a sea level track. Find a 120 lb driver. There’s so many little things the average person doesn’t even think about. Dodge must have done all these things and then some to get the demons 9.69 advertising time because no one can come close bone stock. The vast majority actually can’t even get out of the 10s

They could easily publish an 11 second slip and advertise it.

But they are dumb and would rather make those dumb ass commercials they have now

And yeah anyone who thinks the SS isn’t capable of 11s stock is simply ignorant. Knows nothing about them personally or tracked them. I try not to even comment on that garbage. I know for 100% fact it is possible

[Balzdeep]

Lol...

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Snowblind

On a street tire the gains from the A8 to the A10 will only be realized with an experienced driver, I would guess .1 with the stockers at the track.

I think where the A10 will shine is with a DR and someone who can drive. I agree with Ultraz earlier comment, if GM institutes a Drag Mode of some sorts like Ford has done then the gains will be greater....although I wouldn't get my hopes up on that, it would he nice to see the "track" setting be more agressive and give you firm, positive shifts.

The slightly steeper 1st gear, the extra gear between 4th and 5th to help stay in peak power/shift recovery, and the added shift firmness we have seen on the A10 GT's should give you a solid .2+ on DR's in the 1/4 imo. 11.79 in negative DA and excellent prep is possible with no other mods done.

Heck I'd like to see something linke the Demon's drag mode with line lock and trans brake!

[oldman]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Yep

Lots of mags run cars on full tanks to get accurate curb weights is another thing that comes to mind

Getting a dedicated track test done would add a tenth from running it near empty alone. Then do Perfect prep. Great DA/weather at a sea level track. Find a 120 lb driver. There’s so many little things the average person doesn’t even think about. Dodge must have done all these things and then some to get the demons 9.69 advertising time because no one can come close bone stock. The vast majority actually can’t even get out of the 10s

They could easily publish an 11 second slip and advertise it.

But they are dumb and would rather make those dumb ass commercials they have now

And yeah anyone who thinks the SS isn’t capable of 11s stock is simply ignorant. Knows nothing about them personally or tracked them. I try not to even comment on that garbage. I know for 100% fact it is possible

amen, just like the oldlady put my no vidisble mod LS1 ("stone stock") into the 12s first cause she weighs in at 90 lbs wet...

I can remember back in the day when Turbo and many Peterson Publishing mags all tested at Palmdale and would attitude correct their times and wow the WRX, Evo were all running .3 faster than anybody could get them to do at a sea level track... When I was in Houston on a winter night and the track was hooking there were many stock and near stock LS1 into the 12s. At my local track, 13.3 was about the best bone stock somebody could do. I can only envy the north east just before the first snow and a prep track can do.

Let me just talk about the 340 Mopar, probably my favorite motor. Till this day there are guys saying easily capable of 13s stone stock.
1) there is no test of any 340 from any magazine, any tester going 13s with the engine in any combination.
2) Magazines like Car LIfe and Hot Rod, would do things like bump timing, change and gap plugs, flip lid on air cleaner, toss out the spare and jack, lower tire pressure etc.
3) I have a collection of articles (cause I grew up with that engine) on anything published at any time.
4) I personally have made say 600 passes on stock and slightly tweaked 340s.
5) Only Ronnie Sox, ever "claimed" that his 340 provided by Dodge and tweaked by him did a 13.9 at 99 MPH. Believable? Maybe, Ronnie was running in the stock class, so at what point before the legal headers went on did he do the 13.9? If Ronnie blueprinted the engine to spec and just before the headers went in, sure a no air cleaner, completely strippo 340 blueprinted with exhaust manifolds going to 2.5 dumps can do it. Ronnie was racing for Dodge, clearly he had every incentive to publish/brag how fast a 340 Dart was "stock". Lastly and most importantly we are talking Ronnie...

The reason I bring this up, Ronnie in the ealy 70s is kind of like the hero tester or driver today. There are unknown mods and conditions and this leads to times that are NOT achievable by Joe average going to the dealer buying a car and showing up with the said car at the local race track.

So there you go Ronnie said his 340 stock did a 13.9 at 99 MPH, no other tester did a 13.99, one or two did break 100 MPH (all 6PAKs). Most test were mid to high 14s, for every low 14 test, there is a matching 15 second test.

30 years later, everybody on the planet did 13s with their stock 340s.

[oldman]

I looked at the 2018 Mustang, to me it is nicer than the 2017, but really it just is not correct... I guess I'm so use to see fake stuff like face hood scoops on the Mustang that unless it is absolutely functional, it just screams highschool to me. So I guess I've given up on hoping that Ford will actually have functional scoops and extractors..

I honestly don't know, is it function on a V8? dunno, are they functional on the ecoboost.. don't know, is the scoop function on the 2018 V8? don't know. I'm just saying 30 years of non-functional stuff slapped on the hood or rear 1/4 panels has really turned me off on the Ford design.

I'm sure a Ford guy will chime in now and say for 2018 the XYZ stuff actually works... OK then. I've had a few Camaros apart now and everything on the car or stuck to the hoods that look "performance" actually has a performance use.

For instance, the second trans cooler on the Camaro is horizontal, it looks like it will take air off the grill and then duct it under the car, this will have even more function given a splitter (less air under the car, more negative pressure). I highly doubt and I don't work on Mustangs that new front of the Mustang uses any air draft from grill to any type or horizontal cooler. My point is just everything on the Camaro is functional and for decades now everything or almost everything on a Mustang "looks fast".

[Snowblind]

Originally Posted by oldman

Heck I'd like to see something like the Demon's drag mode with line lock and trans brake!

The drag racer in me thinks that's a great idea, the average Joe however would find that useless. I have one better.

Why isn't the 2019 SS a flex fuel vehicle ?

The fuel/timing tables are already there, laying dormant in the ECU.
The sensor is an off-the-shelf part from other GM models
The CAFE rating would use gasoline testing and keep the status quo.

You could still advertise 455 horses with the added bonus of going to 480 with just a fuel change to e85.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Snowblind

The drag racer in me thinks that's a great idea, the average Joe however would find that useless. I have one better.

Why isn't the 2019 SS a flex fuel vehicle ?

The fuel/timing tables are already there, laying dormant in the ECU.
The sensor is an off-the-shelf part from other GM models
The CAFE rating would use gasoline testing and keep the status quo.

You could still advertise 455 horses with the added bonus of going to 480 with just a fuel change to e85.

Brilliant idea. Easy and effective

[oldman]

heck for a while there, I was thinking full stealth mode and hiding my e85 somewhere under the car, going with ported heads, cam, ported intake and TB.... and trolling the tracks with my "stock SS"... we all know there is at least one "stock SS" with a tune and e85 somewhere...

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Snowblind

The drag racer in me thinks that's a great idea, the average Joe however would find that useless. I have one better.

Why isn't the 2019 SS a flex fuel vehicle ?

The fuel/timing tables are already there, laying dormant in the ECU.
The sensor is an off-the-shelf part from other GM models
The CAFE rating would use gasoline testing and keep the status quo.

You could still advertise 455 horses with the added bonus of going to 480 with just a fuel change to e85.

I’ve thought the same +1

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by oldman

I looked at the 2018 Mustang, to me it is nicer than the 2017, but really it just is not correct... I guess I'm so use to see fake stuff like face hood scoops on the Mustang that unless it is absolutely functional, it just screams highschool to me. So I guess I've given up on hoping that Ford will actually have functional scoops and extractors..

I honestly don't know, is it function on a V8? dunno, are they functional on the ecoboost.. don't know, is the scoop function on the 2018 V8? don't know. I'm just saying 30 years of non-functional stuff slapped on the hood or rear 1/4 panels has really turned me off on the Ford design.

I'm sure a Ford guy will chime in now and say for 2018 the XYZ stuff actually works... OK then. I've had a few Camaros apart now and everything on the car or stuck to the hoods that look "performance" actually has a performance use.

For instance, the second trans cooler on the Camaro is horizontal, it looks like it will take air off the grill and then duct it under the car, this will have even more function given a splitter (less air under the car, more negative pressure). I highly doubt and I don't work on Mustangs that new front of the Mustang uses any air draft from grill to any type or horizontal cooler. My point is just everything on the Camaro is functional and for decades now everything or almost everything on a Mustang "looks fast".

What a silly post. If you go back 30 years, even GM was slapping on non-functioning go fast body mods. The 4th Gen SS had their non-functioning hood scoops. The T/A and WS6 were even more notorious. The 4th Gens also had their large blacked out openings in the front, but only two tiny holes for cooling. They had the dual exhaust pipes, when in reality they were a single exhaust vehicle with their Y-pipes. The 5th Gen Camaros had their silly non-functioning mail slots in the front. They had a non-funtioning cowl hood. They also had non-functioning gills in front of the rear wheels.

No car is immune.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

What a silly post. If you go back 30 years, even GM was slapping on non-functioning go fast body mods

Really? and what by 93ish the SS has a functional ram air, by 98 the Ram Air birds had a really nice setup. What is Ford doing? Like I said 30 years and maybe just maybe then again maybe NOT will there be any functional performance scoop, duct etc. At this point I have just given up looking. Dodge, yep stuff works, GM, yep stuff works, Ford, probably not and it has been that way for generations...

https://ls1tech.com/forums/special-e...ss-intake.html

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The 4th Gen SS had their non-functioning hood scoops. The T/A and WS6 were even more notorious.

You smoking crack, the 98 SS scoop was functional as a cool air induction, it was not ram air like the 97 and below. I'll give you that.

The WS6 was a nice setup, you sure you know what are talking about? I don't think so, as I can look through the WS6 scoop and see the opening to the lid, the same year Mustang it is a laughable piece of plastic bolted to a solid V6 hood.... please.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The 4th Gens also had their large blacked out openings in the front, but only two tiny holes for cooling.

Whatever you say, I don't know of any cooling problems, the 4th gen ducted most of its air via chin spoiler under the car, take a look next time...

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

They had the dual exhaust pipes, when in reality they were a single exhaust vehicle with their Y-pipes.

Absolutely and that single pipe would absolute DESTROY the quad cam hand built Cobra... At least GM did not have to recall the car and fix it so it could produce the claimed 320 HP, even though my 305 HP sinlge exhaust LS1 absolutely destroy any and all dual exhaust Cobras... LOL too funny, buy hey 4x as many cams, twice as many valves, twice as many exhaust pipes and it still sucks.. LOL.....

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The 5th Gen Camaros had their silly non-functioning mail slots in the front. They had a non-funtioning cowl hood. They also had non-functioning gills in front of the rear wheels.

No car is immune.

I never owned a 5th gen, did not like the hood either. Have no idea about any cowl hood, I had a Challenger at the time, 5th's rear grill work, was a design cue from 1969, which also was non-functional, and unlike the Mustang at least fit into the flow of the body, the Mustang of course just put a HUGE hunk of plastic infront of the rear tire on the California edition... good god was that ugly..

Here it is Fake piece of plastic on the hood, fake piece of plastic on both sides:
http://performance.ford.com/enthusia...t-cs/2007.html


WS6

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by oldman

Absolutely and that single pipe would absolute DESTROY the quad cam hand built Cobra... At least GM did not have to recall the car and fix it so it could produce the claimed 320 HP, even though my 305 HP sinlge exhaust LS1 absolutely destroy any and all dual exhaust Cobras... LOL too funny, buy hey 4x as many cams, twice as many valves, twice as many exhaust pipes and it still sucks.. LOL.....

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Where did that come from?? Triggered much? Did one molest you back then? No need to get the blood pressure up, dont be so sensitive LOL

Its OK, it's not that deep. I used to own a 1997 and a 2002 Z28, single exhaust and all, before upgrading to an 03 Cobra.

[Balzdeep]

Lol. Some of you need serious help...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The 4th Gen SS had their non-functioning hood scoops. The T/A and WS6 were even more notorious.

Shows how much you know...or, rather, how much you don't know. You're soo wrong it isn't even funny. The 4th Gens had functional Ram Air style hoods. In fact, unlike the Mach 1 Shaker hood which just led to a duct that ended where the air filter was, the F-Body hoods led right to the air filter in a true Ram Air fashion.