Why are so many used 2018 ZL1 1LE's Traded In? - Page 4

SteveV · 07-20-2018, 10:55 AM

I would guess a lot of the reason behind people buying the "wrong car" is that the dealers won't allow people to test drive them.

The only way to get a test drive is to find a dealer with a used one.

But, as I stated, this is a guess. I have a "regular" ZL1 with a manual. The "bog" is real, but not THAT bad. At least not on mine. After I recoup from vacations and back to school shopping this summer, I do plan to purchase a TM throttle body and see if that helps the bog as much as others have claimed.

Would I have bought a ZL1 1LE instead? Sure, if I could have bought one for no more than $63k out the door. I had a strict budget I had to adhere to, and I could not find a ZL1 1LE for what my wife and I agreed I could spend.

Thus, I ended up with my VR ZL1 M6 with PDR and no sunroof. And I love her (both the car her, and the wife her... )

:-)

ninetres · 07-20-2018, 01:39 PM

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Fraxum · 07-20-2018, 01:50 PM

Troll or not, I think the main reason you already see used ZL1 1LEs alreay is some buy them thinking this is the coolest and baddest ZL1 but don't consider that there are compromises that must be made to make the ZL1 1LE one of the fastest stock track cars on the planet. Then they start driving the car and realize their mistake. The same thing happens to the SS 1LE and the C7 Grand Sport.

Most of what I read here is tracksters who buy the 1LE ZL1 and know what they are buying are thrilled. Also this car will not have the same high depreciation rate as the 5th gen Z/28 as it has the luxo goodies most people want.

Yea, the M6 bog is there but only has an impact at the drag strip. It has zero effect on a track with curves. There is not a fix coming for this. That made me choose the A10 over the M6 and that choice was a good one. I enjoy driving my plush riding comfortable A10 monster. Am I getting old?

The top speed stuff is just silly.

Gunkk · 07-20-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetres

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torqueaddict · 07-20-2018, 04:16 PM

A lot of it are probably people that got in over their heads in terms of debt. They are a bargain, but they're not exactly affordable, relatively speaking of course.

ninetres · 07-20-2018, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by torqueaddict

A lot of it are probably people that got in over their heads in terms of debt. They are a bargain, but they're not exactly affordable, relatively speaking of course.

This. I can afford my ZL1 stroke.....but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit to contemplating how nice going back to no car payment would be (I have a company car, and C5 that I own).

Revalot · 07-20-2018, 07:24 PM

I have never purchased a GM car, as a die hard performance nut, I love high hp sportbikes, I have test drove a 6 speed ZL1 and ZL11LE , I punched one in 3rd or 4th gear and it torqued right and then tucked it's rear, it made me a little nervous. With that said when I rode a new 99 Hayabusa it shocked me and scared me, I bought a new 2002 and after 2 years it was a 1397cc 196 hp 115Tq sleeper and I loved it for 12 years, I ride a 14R now. Long story short if you enjoy performance you will master it, Intimidating yes ! But before It runs me off I will respect it ,but not fear it, and make it my B**** ! Most people want cool stuff, but can't handle what it has to offer !

JB'sZL1 · 07-20-2018, 07:27 PM

Yeah, the raw power will scare the pants off many. Knowing the vehicle, it's limitations and the road is key.

VAZL1 · 07-21-2018, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunkk

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msawyer110 · 07-21-2018, 06:23 AM

Beleive it or not the ZL1 was my first new car purchase. I was 32, have bought many used vehicles. Somehow i managed to order my own. Let me tell you buddy, living dont get much better than a 6th gen Zl1 in the spring with the sunroof open and the windows down.

Biscuit.fr · 07-21-2018, 06:24 AM

Anything about the ground clearance between the 1LE and the regular?
Never seen a post on that one...
19” and new suspension
Vs 20” and MRC
My guess is that less ground clearance and rough ride for daily use is a point ;-)

DavidStrLondon · 07-21-2018, 06:38 AM

Sorry what do you mean with M6 bog?
Is there a problem with the M6?

Vtor_ZL1 · 07-21-2018, 07:19 AM

You can't compare ride of ZL1 with that of ZL1 1LE - its no where near the same.

It feels like a car on coilovers with 1000 in-lbs springs! If tires are cold.. and I say that meaning on 100 degree day, turning out of your driveway --- the tires are COLD! They chatter and skip across the pavement. It's few miles down the road before they behave better. It's few laps before they are warm. I fixed that problem fast, other set of wheels with pilot sports.

How many who commented here don't drive a ZL1 1LE.. but rather more pedestrian ZL1 w mag ride and its butter soft springs. But you boought track car -- not really, more of a positive press magazine numbers car.

On upside, insurance is rather reasonable, for some reason, mustang was even less when compared to bmw, audi name plates of similar performance.

msawyer110 · 07-21-2018, 07:22 AM

True. Mine does have the mag ride...and it is glorious.

07-20-2018, 10:55 AM	#43
SteveV Drives: 2018 ZL1 Camaro 6M Red Hot Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,139 View My Garage	I would guess a lot of the reason behind people buying the "wrong car" is that the dealers won't allow people to test drive them. The only way to get a test drive is to find a dealer with a used one. But, as I stated, this is a guess. I have a "regular" ZL1 with a manual. The "bog" is real, but not THAT bad. At least not on mine. After I recoup from vacations and back to school shopping this summer, I do plan to purchase a TM throttle body and see if that helps the bog as much as others have claimed. Would I have bought a ZL1 1LE instead? Sure, if I could have bought one for no more than $63k out the door. I had a strict budget I had to adhere to, and I could not find a ZL1 1LE for what my wife and I agreed I could spend. Thus, I ended up with my VR ZL1 M6 with PDR and no sunroof. And I love her (both the car her, and the wife her... ) :-) __________________ People are a lot like slinky's: not very helpful most of the time, but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs...

07-20-2018, 01:39 PM	#44
ninetres Drives: Crush ZLE M6 \| 2000 Corvette FRC Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Cencal Posts: 1,659	. Attached Images

07-20-2018, 01:50 PM	#45
Fraxum Drives: a M6 LT1 ordered From Becky!!! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,520	Troll or not, I think the main reason you already see used ZL1 1LEs alreay is some buy them thinking this is the coolest and baddest ZL1 but don't consider that there are compromises that must be made to make the ZL1 1LE one of the fastest stock track cars on the planet. Then they start driving the car and realize their mistake. The same thing happens to the SS 1LE and the C7 Grand Sport. Most of what I read here is tracksters who buy the 1LE ZL1 and know what they are buying are thrilled. Also this car will not have the same high depreciation rate as the 5th gen Z/28 as it has the luxo goodies most people want. Yea, the M6 bog is there but only has an impact at the drag strip. It has zero effect on a track with curves. There is not a fix coming for this. That made me choose the A10 over the M6 and that choice was a good one. I enjoy driving my plush riding comfortable A10 monster. Am I getting old? The top speed stuff is just silly. __________________ "Democracy Dies in Darkness" My LT1 Keeper ..... ..... My Car Blog CarPlayList, a free App to build USB and Android Music drives.

07-21-2018, 06:23 AM	#52
msawyer110 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: DFW Posts: 157	Beleive it or not the ZL1 was my first new car purchase. I was 32, have bought many used vehicles. Somehow i managed to order my own. Let me tell you buddy, living dont get much better than a 6th gen Zl1 in the spring with the sunroof open and the windows down. __________________ 2017 ZL1 Hyper Blue Metallic M6 1996 Z28 Polo Green F1-D Procharged 383- 490rwhp

07-21-2018, 07:19 AM	#55
Vtor_ZL1 Who Needs to KNOW? Drives: 18 ZLE Join Date: May 2018 Location: Left Side of the Moon Posts: 1,839	You can't compare ride of ZL1 with that of ZL1 1LE - its no where near the same. It feels like a car on coilovers with 1000 in-lbs springs! If tires are cold.. and I say that meaning on 100 degree day, turning out of your driveway --- the tires are COLD! They chatter and skip across the pavement. It's few miles down the road before they behave better. It's few laps before they are warm. I fixed that problem fast, other set of wheels with pilot sports. How many who commented here don't drive a ZL1 1LE.. but rather more pedestrian ZL1 w mag ride and its butter soft springs. But you boought track car -- not really, more of a positive press magazine numbers car. On upside, insurance is rather reasonable, for some reason, mustang was even less when compared to bmw, audi name plates of similar performance. __________________ ing for grip. Are you in the NY/NJ/PA/CT region? Join us for autox fun at MetLife Stadium. HUGE lots, tons of runs. http://www.motorsportsne.com/

07-20-2018, 04:16 PM	#47
torqueaddict Drives: Tesla M3 LR-AWD [Former 1SS owner] Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Miami Posts: 950	A lot of it are probably people that got in over their heads in terms of debt. They are a bargain, but they're not exactly affordable, relatively speaking of course.

07-20-2018, 07:24 PM	#49
Revalot Drives: ZL1/1LE parts added Join Date: May 2018 Location: Somewhere around Texas pines tress and smooth asphalt Posts: 624	I have never purchased a GM car, as a die hard performance nut, I love high hp sportbikes, I have test drove a 6 speed ZL1 and ZL11LE , I punched one in 3rd or 4th gear and it torqued right and then tucked it's rear, it made me a little nervous. With that said when I rode a new 99 Hayabusa it shocked me and scared me, I bought a new 2002 and after 2 years it was a 1397cc 196 hp 115Tq sleeper and I loved it for 12 years, I ride a 14R now. Long story short if you enjoy performance you will master it, Intimidating yes ! But before It runs me off I will respect it ,but not fear it, and make it my B**** ! Most people want cool stuff, but can't handle what it has to offer !

07-20-2018, 07:27 PM	#50
JB'sZL1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 and 2019 Ram Laramie Join Date: May 2017 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 1,259	Yeah, the raw power will scare the pants off many. Knowing the vehicle, it's limitations and the road is key.

07-21-2018, 06:24 AM	#53
Biscuit.fr Drives: Red hot ZL1 A10 2017 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: MS Back to France (29) Posts: 804	Anything about the ground clearance between the 1LE and the regular? Never seen a post on that one... 19” and new suspension Vs 20” and MRC My guess is that less ground clearance and rough ride for daily use is a point ;-)

07-21-2018, 06:38 AM	#54
DavidStrLondon Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: London Posts: 38	Sorry what do you mean with M6 bog? Is there a problem with the M6?

07-21-2018, 07:22 AM	#56
msawyer110 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: DFW Posts: 157	True. Mine does have the mag ride...and it is glorious. __________________ 2017 ZL1 Hyper Blue Metallic M6 1996 Z28 Polo Green F1-D Procharged 383- 490rwhp

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