Mustang PP2 “Still off the pace by a hair.”

50MileSmile · 07-02-2018, 03:09 PM

The August Motor Trend talks about the Mustang GT with Performance Pack 2 - says it comes up a little short against the Camaro SS 1LE, although it’s better than the Performance Pack 1: “My money is on the Mustang coming close to the SS1LE but not quite cleaning up. There’s no shame in this.”

TP355Z · 07-02-2018, 03:28 PM

When I research the equipment on the car, I see no mention of diff or trans coolers, if that's the case, its prone to the same overheating issue as the GT350. Meaning: even if it's as fast as a 1LE for a few laps, it won't do it happily for long.

50MileSmile · 07-02-2018, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TP355Z

When I research the equipment on the car, I see no mention of diff or trans coolers, if that's the case, its prone to the same overheating issue as the GT350. Meaning: even if it's as fast as a 1LE for a few laps, it won't do it happily for long.

Actually, I haven’t seen that happening in the real world. I owned one of the too-hot GT 350s, and one of our complaints to Ford was that the Mustang GTs never overheated or went into limp mode at the track, and the GT 350s should have been at least that good. And you’re right: The PP3 doesn’t get any additional coolers - just a larger radiator.

Dave-ROR · 07-02-2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

Actually, I haven’t seen that happening in the real world. I owned one of the too-hot GT 350s, and one of our complaints to Ford was that the Mustang GTs never overheated or went into limp mode at the track, and the GT 350s should have been at least that good. And you’re right: The PP3 doesn’t get any additional coolers - just a larger radiator.

One of the guys on the forum here sold his GTPP because it overheated (trans IIRC) on the track. He has a 1LE now. Another buddy had a Boss302LS and it also had issues with engine and trans overheats, even with an oil cooler. He's driving a P-Car now though.

Mountain · 07-02-2018, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

The August Motor Trend talks about the Mustang GT with Performance Pack 2 - says it comes up a little short against the Camaro SS 1LE, although it’s better than the Performance Pack 1: “My money is on the Mustang coming close to the SS1LE but not quite cleaning up. There’s no shame in this.”

This in the magazine?

wjones14 · 07-02-2018, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountain

This in the magazine?

Yes. That was the quote from writer Frank Markus, who was speculating how fast the PP2 would actually be at Willow Springs. The SS 1LE beat the PP1 by 3.3 seconds. Frank asked the PP2 team how much faster the PP2 would be around Willow, and they said between 2.5 and 3 seconds. So, that's where the speculation came from.

carguy55 · 07-02-2018, 09:41 PM

Never heard of the PP3?

JhonnyGTR · 07-02-2018, 09:49 PM

PP3???

Mountain · 07-02-2018, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wjones14

Yes. That was the quote from writer Frank Markus, who was speculating how fast the PP2 would actually be at Willow Springs. The SS 1LE beat the PP1 by 3.3 seconds. Frank asked the PP2 team how much faster the PP2 would be around Willow, and they said between 2.5 and 3 seconds. So, that's where the speculation came from.

I can see that as true. I think the PP2 will come real close to the 1LE. I mean, I’d hope so for Ford’s sake...

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Originally Posted by wjones14

Yes. That was the quote from writer Frank Markus, who was speculating how fast the PP2 would actually be at Willow Springs. The SS 1LE beat the PP1 by 3.3 seconds. Frank asked the PP2 team how much faster the PP2 would be around Willow, and they said between 2.5 and 3 seconds. So, that's where the speculation came from.

I think it’s a mistype to “PP2”

50MileSmile · 07-03-2018, 12:26 AM

PP3? Where?

Just wanted to see if you guys were paying attention. Raise your hand if you’ve never committed a typo.

carguy55 · 07-03-2018, 11:23 AM

PP3 = GT350

Based on my track experience the SS 1LE it's already the equal of a GT350. Not sure how the PP2 is going to improve on that unless they can get a hero lap from the Cup 2s. I've also ran with a GT350R and didn't see any big deal with it, but it wasn't the best track session for a comparison.

Bosse'sBoss · 07-03-2018, 11:47 PM

The SS 1LE would beat on the track the Mustang GT PP2, even that the GT PP2 comes with track tires. The SS 1LE already competes with the Shelby GT 350

VinnAY · 07-04-2018, 06:54 AM

Based on coming from a 15 GT/PP with a bunch of Steeda parts under the car the 1LE is the better car. I don't race it so I can't say anything there but this is the better of the two in every other way.

JBones81 · 07-04-2018, 03:24 PM

Maybe when they get to the PP26 they'll surpass the 1LE

07-02-2018, 03:09 PM	#1
50MileSmile Drives: 2023 2SS, 2018 1SS 1LE, 1993 Z/28 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Midwest Posts: 819	Mustang PP2 “Still off the pace by a hair.” The August Motor Trend talks about the Mustang GT with Performance Pack 2 - says it comes up a little short against the Camaro SS 1LE, although it’s better than the Performance Pack 1: “My money is on the Mustang coming close to the SS1LE but not quite cleaning up. There’s no shame in this.” Last edited by 50MileSmile; 07-03-2018 at 12:24 AM.

07-03-2018, 11:47 PM	#12
Bosse'sBoss Drives: '16 Camaro SS 6 spd manual transm. Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,533	The SS 1LE would beat on the track the Mustang GT PP2, even that the GT PP2 comes with track tires. The SS 1LE already competes with the Shelby GT 350 __________________ '16 Camaro SS Prior cars: '14 Corvette C7 Stingray Z51 '14 Camaro ZL1 w/. Recaro seats '11 Mustang GT 5.0 w. track package '02 Porsche 911 Carrera '05 Infiniti G35 coupe sport

07-04-2018, 03:24 PM	#14
JBones81 Drives: 22 ZL1, 18 RS3, 22 M3P Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 946 View My Garage	Maybe when they get to the PP26 they'll surpass the 1LE __________________ 2022 ZL1 - M6, Wrapped, Tinted, Rotofab intake, MBRP AxleBack, Lots of BMR rear suspension components 2024 Audi RS3 2022 Tesla Model 3 Performance 2018 Audi RS3 - Many mods & e85 Instagram - @JBsCars

07-02-2018, 03:28 PM	#2
TP355Z Drives: 2017 1SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: CT Posts: 27	When I research the equipment on the car, I see no mention of diff or trans coolers, if that's the case, its prone to the same overheating issue as the GT350. Meaning: even if it's as fast as a 1LE for a few laps, it won't do it happily for long.

07-02-2018, 09:41 PM	#7
carguy55 Drives: 2018 1SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,566 View My Garage	Never heard of the PP3?

07-02-2018, 09:49 PM	#8
JhonnyGTR Drives: La Macarena Join Date: May 2018 Location: San Pedro De Macorís Posts: 584	PP3???

07-03-2018, 12:26 AM	#10
50MileSmile Drives: 2023 2SS, 2018 1SS 1LE, 1993 Z/28 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Midwest Posts: 819	PP3? Where? Just wanted to see if you guys were paying attention. Raise your hand if you’ve never committed a typo.

07-03-2018, 11:23 AM	#11
carguy55 Drives: 2018 1SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,566 View My Garage	PP3 = GT350 Based on my track experience the SS 1LE it's already the equal of a GT350. Not sure how the PP2 is going to improve on that unless they can get a hero lap from the Cup 2s. I've also ran with a GT350R and didn't see any big deal with it, but it wasn't the best track session for a comparison.

07-04-2018, 06:54 AM	#13
VinnAY Account Suspended Drives: 18 1SS/1LE Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Missouri Posts: 939	Based on coming from a 15 GT/PP with a bunch of Steeda parts under the car the 1LE is the better car. I don't race it so I can't say anything there but this is the better of the two in every other way.

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