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The point is, in 1984, you could buy a bare bones Camaro Z28 for $10,600. That's equivalent to $25,600 in 2018 dollars. Can you buy a Camaro 1SS for for $25,600? How about $35,600? How do other cars compare? A 1984 Toyota Corolla started at $6,688. In 2018 dollars that is $16,163. Can that buy you a new Corolla? Not quite, but it's close. The 2018 Corolla is $18,600. Toyota Corolla prices have marginally increased since 1984. Chevy Camaro prices have drastically increased. That's the point you missed. It wasn't that today's Camaro or Corolla both offer a lot more car than in 1984.
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Maybe GM thought the new Transformer movies would help sell the 6th Gen. It worked for them with the 5th. But the problem is the new movie suck and it's now a tired franchise, and come to think of it. I never see Corvette adds. So maybe I'm wrong about this.
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Then you shouldn't be looking at $50k camaros if that is the case. If you are new to the family game, you don't buy Camaros for the most part. You start like most people do. Buy you a fkn Camry or something. A mini van. A truck. Something other than a sports car. It's impractical. Now, once the kids get older and your wife eventually shuts up about the finances, then you can sneak in the Camaro when she's not looking. Then again, that isn't a happy marriage. I buy what I want, when I want. The wife says nothing and enjoys the rides.
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Mike, would you please do me a favor and correct me?
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Here is the article (August 10, 2017): http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...3/chevy-camaro Chevy reassessing trim, build options on Camaro DETROIT -- General Motors is re-assessing some trim and build options for the Chevrolet Camaro in an attempt to increase sales and better compete against the Ford Mustang and Dodge Challenger, according to product chief Mark Reuss. The company, according to Reuss, sees opportunities to better position the muscle car's price points at the base and V-8 levels. "I think we've got opportunities at the very low end of the Camaro range and some remix of some of the V-8 options on it so we don't force people to buy all the options with a V-8, just to get a V-8," Reuss told reporters following a media at the company's world headquarters here to unveil a new Camaro ZL1 race car for the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series. Reuss, executive vice president of global product development, purchasing and supply chain, declined to comment on specifics or timing of the potential changes. A Chevrolet spokesman confirmed the brand is "exploring a bunch of opportunities" to expand the vehicle's range, but also declined to comment on specifics. "The Mustang and some of the cars in the segment will have a lower base price and that's an opportunity for us probably," Reuss said. The 2017 and 2018 Camaro start at $26,900 with a 2.0-liter four-cylinder turbocharged engine. Opting for a 3.6-liter V-6 bumps up the price $1,495 to $28,395. That compares to the 2017 Mustang starting at $26,085 with a 3.7-liter V-6 engine and the 2017 Challenger with a base price of $28,090 for a 3.6-liter V-6. All prices include shipping. A Camaro equipped with a V-8 engine starts at about $38,000 at the SS trim level, while the Mustang GT and Challenger R/T V-8 models start at about $34,100. Camaro sales in the U.S. were down 2.5 percent through July to 41,280, according to the Automotive News Data Center. That compares to a 30 percent drop to 50,814 vehicles for the Mustang and 2.6 percent increase for the Challenger to 41,243. The Camaro racer for NASCAR is expected to begin racing next year. It replaces the Chevrolet SS, which the company has announced will be discontinued as it ends vehicle manufacturing in Australia. ---- GM knows it has an issue. It simply has not been capable at addressing it.
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In 2018, that purchase power is roughly $42K. So, it is a nominal difference.
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Yes, Mark talked a lot about addressing the price point difference. He did not talk about changing the target market. What I referred to as the ME car vs the WE car. Because of the physical trade offs made to deliver a top performance vehicle off the Alpha platform, fixing the trade offs would require a significant modification to the architecture. Getting trunk space and sight lines more competitive with Challenger or Mustang would require serious metal bending. That would have to be a 7th Gen objective IF GM / Chevy / Reuss / Oppenheiser decide they want to broaden the market to include family practicality. I’ve seen no indication that this is something they are considering. It would have to be more like CTS / CT5 and less like ATS. A bigger car. A taller car. Maybe even a wider car. I don’t see that happening. Mark was talking about making V8 an option in a package less pricey than a 1SS. Same target market, lower price point. And that even is not a slam dunk. Where will the buyers for the lower priced, let’s call it 0SS come from? If they could legitimately come from Mustang GT or Challenger 5.7L intenders that would be a go. But if it only provides an opportunity for customers who would have bought a 1SS to get a fast car for a lot less money (lower ATP) that would be a non-starter. Personally, I don’t know how that is likely to land, but I’m certain there are some really sharp people working on it.
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Not that I don't believe you that you could get a 1984 Z28 coupe to $17K, but maybe you have a window sticker showing how? But, let's go with your figure of $17K. That's equivalent to $42K today, then... how much is a 2018 Camaro coupe with every option ticked? I guess when you say it's only a nominal difference, then it won't be much more than $42K? Not even sure why we're arguing about this?
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Just for curiosity... The Malibu Platform can be good for the next Generation and a HP bump? |
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- best performer? yes - looks fantastic? not so much anymore... - competes with higher price point? yes that's not what keeps a car around. its sales. when they ended the 4th gen it wasnt because they performance was doing bad. nobody was buying them |
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