[EDFHOBBIES]

it looks like the european spec would be a better choice it has a higher TBN number and more zinc and additives I bet this all to do with low ash to not mess with emissions stuff..not that its better performance.. I see the move to diesels stuff w tier 4 equipment.

since I'm catless I can't see the rest of the emissions stuff being bothered unless it has to do with silicon instead of gaskets being eating apon.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

it looks like the european spec would be a better choice it has a higher TBN number and more zinc and additives I bet this all to do with low ash to not mess with emissions stuff..not that its better performance.. I see the move to diesels stuff w tier 4 equipment.

since I'm catless I can't see the rest of the emissions stuff being bothered unless it has to do with silicon instead of gaskets being eating apon.

Why don't you just piss in it and it'll save you all kinds of money, hey maybe it'll make more power too because of less friction am I right?

Sorry but almost every one of your posts is playing detective to find the way to go against the grain. It's been a long day...

[Sooner Cole]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Why don't you just piss in it and it'll save you all kinds of money, hey maybe it'll make more power too because of less friction am I right?

Sorry but almost every one of your posts is playing detective to find the way to go against the grain. It's been a long day...

^^^
this

[DangerZL1]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

it looks like the european spec would be a better choice it has a higher TBN number and more zinc and additives I bet this all to do with low ash to not mess with emissions stuff..not that its better performance.. I see the move to diesels stuff w tier 4 equipment.

since I'm catless I can't see the rest of the emissions stuff being bothered unless it has to do with silicon instead of gaskets being eating apon.

It appears to be a combo of better performance, less oil usage, and keeping the emissions systems healthy, hence the ESP

From the Mobil One site:

Features Advantages and Potential Benefits
Low Ash Content Helps to reduce particulate build up in Diesel Particulate Filters.
Low Sulphur and Phosphorous content Helps to reduce poisoning of Gasoline Catalytic Converters.
Active cleaning agents Helps to reduce deposits and sludge build-up to enable long and clean engine life.
Outstanding thermal and oxidation stability Helps to reduce oil aging allowing extended drain interval protection.
Low oil consumption Less hydrocarbon pollution.
Enhanced frictional properties Potentially aids fuel economy.
Excellent low temperature capabilities Quick cold weather starting and ultra fast protection Helps to extend engine life.

[SteveV]

For those of you in the Raleigh/Durham, NC area... I asked about this oil at Hendrick Chevrolet in Cary.

They told me that while they do stock it, they won't sell it to customers for self installs. You have to get the oil changed by their service department if you want the new 0w40 ESP.

No thanks. I will wait until they have it at parts stores and Walmart.

According to Mobil 1, it will be available at parts stores in Q3. Well, Q3 started today. So, it should show up at parts stores some time this month.

[EDFHOBBIES]

I go against the grain to get a rise in a holes like yourself.. The reason you never know what I'm talking about is because I go over your head. I'll make a statement or question to see who really knows what the hell there talking about.

The European oil formulas are a lot better than the US blends.

The TBN numbe is 12.7 in the Eroupean spec 0w 40 from movile 1 vs ESP dexos approved 8.5 The Eroupean also has more additives that European motors requires because they have higher standards.The US API rating is inferior to Eroupean ACEA rating .

I've been doing oil analysis for 20 years in worse conditions than racing. . TRC oil has the highest TBN 15 w Amsoil in second this number is what's been important for oil intervals and protection against corrosion caused by combustion engines.

I keep up with what's going on mainly to better myself it's great you can use 1 oil for the tracks and street now and keep your warranty those who have one lol. My whole thinking all the time was keeping with the epa on the low ash, emissions and the people complaining of oil usagee between intervals.. like I said I been dealing w Tier 4 diesels stuff for a while its all been been to keep up w the EPA regulations.

I sure hope ur at cfest

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by SteveV

For those of you in the Raleigh/Durham, NC area... I asked about this oil at Hendrick Chevrolet in Cary.

They told me that while they do stock it, they won't sell it to customers for self installs. You have to get the oil changed by their service department if you want the new 0w40 ESP.

No thanks. I will wait until they have it at parts stores and Walmart.

According to Mobil 1, it will be available at parts stores in Q3. Well, Q3 started today. So, it should show up at parts stores some time this month.

No guarantee it will be this month. Could hit stores in late September and still make quarter three.

Not sure why everyone is so hesitant to let the dealer to do an oil change. Yes, it may cost more but to get the oil now and enjoy the protection and performance it offers is in my opinion well worth it.

[SteveV]

Why am I hesitant to let the dealer change my oil? Because the one and ONLY time they did, the oil filter was so loose it took a full turn to tighten (360 degrees) in my drive way.

Left a nice puddle of fresh oil on the floor of my garage.

That was strike 2. Strike one was that they removed one lug on each wheel to put those lock (anti-theft) lugs on it and didn't torque them.

The only time they will ever work on my car again is if it is warranty or a recall

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

I go against the grain to get a rise in a holes like yourself.. The reason you never know what I'm talking about is because I go over your head. I'll make a statement or question to see who really knows what the hell there talking about.

The European oil formulas are a lot better than the US blends.

The TBN numbe is 12.7 in the Eroupean spec 0w 40 from movile 1 vs ESP dexos approved 8.5 The Eroupean also has more additives that European motors requires because they have higher standards.The US API rating is inferior to Eroupean ACEA rating .

I've been doing oil analysis for 20 years in worse conditions than racing. . TRC oil has the highest TBN 15 w Amsoil in second this number is what's been important for oil intervals and protection against corrosion caused by combustion engines.

I keep up with what's going on mainly to better myself it's great you can use 1 oil for the tracks and street now and keep your warranty those who have one lol. My whole thinking all the time was keeping with the epa on the low ash, emissions and the people complaining of oil usagee between intervals.. like I said I been dealing w Tier 4 diesels stuff for a while its all been been to keep up w the EPA regulations.

I sure hope ur at cfest

Sorry but I’m not an a-hole for saying what I said. And NOTHING you’ve said so far goes over my head, that I assure you. Studying oil? Not even on my radar. I could find a rocket scientist that would talk about stuff none of us know about, doesn’t make anybody smarter or dumber. But even all that said, you didn’t post that just to get a rise, you’re not thinking that far ahead. Nor the other time I quoted you and said I had to read your post twice and still couldn’t tell what the hell you were talking about, which was because of your horrid English/grammar in that specific post. You’ll notice now that I’m not the only one with those sentiments, I got plenty of people agreeing with me on both of those accounts. This is a case where you often post irrelevant questions or excess information on subjects already figured out where the answers are already in front of you, such as the release of the ESP at consumer stores, and the term for that is an Askhole.

[Gabhart]

Originally Posted by SteveV

For those of you in the Raleigh/Durham, NC area... I asked about this oil at Hendrick Chevrolet in Cary.

They told me that while they do stock it, they won't sell it to customers for self installs. You have to get the oil changed by their service department if you want the new 0w40 ESP.

No thanks. I will wait until they have it at parts stores and Walmart.

According to Mobil 1, it will be available at parts stores in Q3. Well, Q3 started today. So, it should show up at parts stores some time this month.

Great timing! I was planning on going by there after work today! Thanks for the info.

[Burly]

My local Chevy dealership sold me a case of the ESP at $8.47 per bottle yesterday. The new cap was about $10 though.

[Krowser]

Originally Posted by SteveV

For those of you in the Raleigh/Durham, NC area... I asked about this oil at Hendrick Chevrolet in Cary.

They told me that while they do stock it, they won't sell it to customers for self installs. You have to get the oil changed by their service department if you want the new 0w40 ESP.

No thanks. I will wait until they have it at parts stores and Walmart.

According to Mobil 1, it will be available at parts stores in Q3. Well, Q3 started today. So, it should show up at parts stores some time this month.

You can order the oil from GM Wholesale Direct.com. They are based in Tennessee? I've already ordered 2 quarts from them.

[Krowser]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

it looks like the european spec would be a better choice it has a higher TBN number and more zinc and additives I bet this all to do with low ash to not mess with emissions stuff..not that its better performance.. I see the move to diesels stuff w tier 4 equipment.

since I'm catless I can't see the rest of the emissions stuff being bothered unless it has to do with silicon instead of gaskets being eating apon.

Interesting...

My friends and I do a lot of spirited driving here in Florida where the humidity and heat is quite real. I know the atmosphere in Europe is not the same as Florida; however, I can imagine that South Florida's climate is more punishing for an oil than in Europe. Additionally, I don't think Europe uses 10% ethanol in their fuels.

I know more zinc content offers better metal to metal lubrication and protection; however, it is a bitch for catalytic converters. Perhaps for the catless Camaros, the euro spec would be better with the higher zinc content.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

The flow-thru holes in the UPF64R are much smaller and 2 fewer (6) than the PF-64 (8), so I'll be sticking with the PF-64.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...lter-pics.html

The smaller holes might be matching up with the new 0-40w thinner oil and it can flow easily.