[Markoz28]

I don’t give much thought or comparison to the hellcat/demon. Sure they’re fast but I can go even faster with a Fox body mustang and about 30k in mods but why do I wanna just go straight and no look awesome. The zl1 is the total package. Looks, power, handling, and comfort. It’s a great balance with room to grow and make it you own. The challenger chargers have had the same look forever. They need to move on.

[Zl1steve]

I spent 2500 on my zl1 and ran 10.88 @ 133.89. Screw that chrysler p.o.s.

[Bhobbs]

No, GM won’t respond.

GM builds something, then moves on. They don’t care what the competition does.

[DangerZL1]

Just read on Hellcat.org that Dodge is forcing you to load them up with a sunroof and other options. A widebody ranges up to $98k fully loaded and you won't see many for less than $87k. Dodge has more packages than Santa. They appear to be coming in a bit higher at minimum than the Demon was. $25k more than a ZL1 that I priced out is probably a deal breaker.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

What? GM is always playing catch up? No way pal. The ZL1 arrived in 2012 with 580 HP, available auto trans, fully optioned, and IRS against the 550 HP manual trans only GT500. Ford had to increase the displacement from 5.4 liters to 5.8, bump up the compression ratio, throw on a bigger blower, and bump up the boost to get the 13-14 GT500 to where it was. And even then it had no options like the ZL1 had. For the 6th Gen ZL1, Ford nor Dodge had anything that could beat it in anything stock for stock despite the GT350R and Hellcat both being more expensive. The only thing they had that could actually beat a ZL1 was the Ford GT ($450K MSRP) and the Viper (over $100K). So how are we playing catch up. We don't even know if the Redeye or GT500 will actually beat the ZL1. So how is it that we have been playing catch up when we've had the fastest cars for years now?

The ZL1 is a great turning car but if you visit your local dragstrip it isn't a record setter. The lowly Dodges are.
Chevrolet is "assuming" everyone likes going in circles. I'm assuming they don't want to pay for a warranty repair on a car that actually accelerates from a dead stop with sticky tires on it. When you want to run with the big dogs you just have learn to lift your leg a little higher.

[big dave]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

The ZL1 is a great turning car but if you visit your local dragstrip it isn't a record setter. The lowly Dodges are.
Chevrolet is "assuming" everyone likes going in circles. I'm assuming they don't want to pay for a warranty repair on a car that actually accelerates from a dead stop with sticky tires on it. When you want to run with the big dogs you just have learn to lift your leg a little higher.

It boils down to a matter of preference, and what your intentions are for the car. For me, being a drag racer, the hellcat made more sense. It was on my short list of cars when I purchased the Z, but there were just so many Hellcats on the road. I like being a little more exclusive. Around here, unless you're visiting your local cars n coffee spots on weekends, you rarely see a ZL1 on the road. I can count on 1 hand how many I've seen on the road in the last year. I've found the 5th gens to be just as rare.

Though I've owned nothing but Chevys, I wouldn't consider myself brand loyal. I loved mustangs back in the fox body days, and I wouldn't rule out owning a hellcat or mustang now. If you can get a mid 10 second car off the showroom floor for an affordable price, how can you go wrong with that? I love the fact that Dodge has the balls to build cars like these, forcing others to either take a back seat, or try to come up with something better.

[RedonBlackRS]

Nobody really gives a damn about the track performance other than crazies like us.
GM needs to grab a headline or two, and maybe give stuff real names.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

I know we Chevy/ZL1 guys like to pound the "But track times!" drum a lot. And I'm all in to do that. But face facts, on the road, the HP of the Hellcat and especially new Red Eye is hard to compete with. The ZL1 is a great package. But it sure could use a HP bump. And step one is getting rid of this STUPID 1.7L supercharger that was the biggest mistake GM Performance has made in decades.

The biggest problem with the Dodges is obviously they're literally 20 years old now...Like who cars about a hood change and a set of Bushwhacker fender flares? The chassis they're built on is a 20+ year old discarded Mercedes SUV/Sedan chassis. The body design has been around forever now. And everything on the car is old fashion with a slightly modern touch. They're big, plush, and brutally fast in a straight-line and that's about it. They do not look good. They're not aerodynamic. The list goes on.

Bottom line, the ZL1 will remain king over Dodge's catalogue of cars in every comparison except drag strip runs. However, it is getting pretty hard to keep your head up in HP discussions as a LT4 guy. Short of a blower swap or spray, we have a max of 750 RWHP car. The OLD hellcat made 800+ RWHP on bolt ons and went 9s. Who knows what the new one will do.

Time to drop an LT5 in the ZL1 (Of course GM won't, as said by a previous poster, GM builds a car and moves on).

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

I know we Chevy/ZL1 guys like to pound the "But track times!" drum a lot. And I'm all in to do that. But face facts, on the road, the HP of the Hellcat and especially new Red Eye is hard to compete with. The ZL1 is a great package. But it sure could use a HP bump. And step one is getting rid of this STUPID 1.7L supercharger that was the biggest mistake GM Performance has made in decades.

The biggest problem with the Dodges is obviously they're literally 20 years old now...Like who cars about a hood change and a set of Bushwhacker fender flares? The chassis they're built on is a 20+ year old discarded Mercedes SUV/Sedan chassis. The body design has been around forever now. And everything on the car is old fashion with a slightly modern touch. They're big, plush, and brutally fast in a straight-line and that's about it. They do not look good. They're not aerodynamic. The list goes on.

Bottom line, the ZL1 will remain king over Dodge's catalogue of cars in every comparison except drag strip runs. However, it is getting pretty hard to keep your head up in HP discussions as a LT4 guy. Short of a blower swap or spray, we have a max of 750 RWHP car. The OLD hellcat made 800+ RWHP on bolt ons and went 9s. Who knows what the new one will do.

Time to drop an LT5 in the ZL1 (Of course GM won't, as said by a previous poster, GM builds a car and moves on).

The look is subjective, I actually love the way they look. Classic design based on a classic muscle look that will probably stand the test of time a little better than the super futuristic looking sports cars/pony cars etc.

I don't hate the chassis in the Dodges. They're huge and heavy, but work for what they're trying to do. Big, comfy, plush cars with absurd power. I was showing my co-workers the "Redeye" this morning and was telling them it's basically an 800 horsepower couch. Which I think is cool, but it all depends on what you want. The ZL1 is a fighter jet and the Challenger/Chargers are lazy boy recliners with wheels and a massive engine.

And yes, the LT5 would perfect the ZL1. It solves the 2 things I hate about the LT4 (pathetic supercharger and direct injection only).

[hotlap]

GM builds a car and moves on to the next one.. The next V, ZL1, 1LE, SS... are already in the works. Exciting to think what the CT5, C8 and gen7 will bring.

Chevy’s objective couldn’t be more clear. Performace for the American market that embarrasses the German’s at a fraction of the price. Not an 800 HP Lazyboy

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by big dave

It boils down to a matter of preference, and what your intentions are for the car. For me, being a drag racer, the hellcat made more sense. It was on my short list of cars when I purchased the Z, but there were just so many Hellcats on the road. I like being a little more exclusive. Around here, unless you're visiting your local cars n coffee spots on weekends, you rarely see a ZL1 on the road. I can count on 1 hand how many I've seen on the road in the last year. I've found the 5th gens to be just as rare.

Though I've owned nothing but Chevys, I wouldn't consider myself brand loyal. I loved mustangs back in the fox body days, and I wouldn't rule out owning a hellcat or mustang now. If you can get a mid 10 second car off the showroom floor for an affordable price, how can you go wrong with that? I love the fact that Dodge has the balls to build cars like these, forcing others to either take a back seat, or try to come up with something better.

Be terrific to see Chevy produce a stripped down straight line performance using a chassis built for such. They are leaving profit on the table by not doing so. Makes little sense to me.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by hotlap

GM builds a car and moves on to the next one.. The next V, ZL1, 1LE, SS... are already in the works. Exciting to think what the CT5, C8 and gen7 will bring.

Chevy’s objective couldn’t be more clear. Performace for the American market that embarrasses the German’s at a fraction of the price. Not an 800 HP Lazyboy

A lazyboy that 60's at 1.40 is pretty impressive regardless how comfortable it is.
The Dodge has adequate practicality to it. It's fairly nice on the inside as well.

[Larrio Andretti]

Maybe someone can explain to me why there are complaints that Chevy doesn’t have something to compete with the Hellcat in a straight line. Dodge wants to be the master of that realm. You bought the wrong car. Enjoy the Camaro for what it is. If you don’t like losing a drag race then make the trade to a Hellcat. Chevy has COPO because the track is where 800hp cars belong.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

The ZL1 is a great turning car but if you visit your local dragstrip it isn't a record setter. The lowly Dodges are.
Chevrolet is "assuming" everyone likes going in circles. I'm assuming they don't want to pay for a warranty repair on a car that actually accelerates from a dead stop with sticky tires on it. When you want to run with the big dogs you just have learn to lift your leg a little higher.

I agree but only when they are modified. Hellcats with a tire will hit high 10s to low 11s all day. The ZL1 already comes with a pretty damn good tire so DRs won't have as much of an impact. Once you start throwing money at both cars, the HC will give you a lot more for a lot less. You'd have to spend over $15K to get the ZL1 to where the HC is for only $3K. LOL!! But bone stock, the ZL1 IS the faster car if only due to the crappy 275 P-Zeros that come stock on the HC.

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

I know we Chevy/ZL1 guys like to pound the "But track times!" drum a lot. And I'm all in to do that. But face facts, on the road, the HP of the Hellcat and especially new Red Eye is hard to compete with. The ZL1 is a great package. But it sure could use a HP bump. And step one is getting rid of this STUPID 1.7L supercharger that was the biggest mistake GM Performance has made in decades.

The 1.7 liter blower we have is perfect for what GM wanted to accomplish with the ZL1. The only fault is when you want to mod the car in which case the heads, cam, and that blower are a major restriction. But I can see GM not caring about that at all. They aren't concerned with our desire to mod the car. They were occupied with keeping costs down, maintaining hood clearance, and longevity. I don't plan to mod mine so for me I rather them have done it this way and keeping the costs down. But if I was going to mod it then I'd be a little irritated.

Originally Posted by hotlap

GM builds a car and moves on to the next one.. The next V, ZL1, 1LE, SS... are already in the works. Exciting to think what the CT5, C8 and gen7 will bring.

Chevy’s objective couldn’t be more clear. Performace for the American market that embarrasses the German’s at a fraction of the price. Not an 800 HP Lazyboy

Agreed. GM shows up, slaps the shit out of everyone, and then starts planning for the next Gen. Meanwhile it takes the competition time to catch up while they're planning the next slap, lol! In the 5th Gen the ZL1 showed up fully optioned with IRS and 580 HP to the GT500's ancient-ass solid axle
no option 550 HP. Ford then had to do a whole bunch of stuff to surpass the ZL1 and only in HP for the next year. And Dodge needed 3 years to bring out the HC which in 2015 was the final year of the 5th Gen anyway. This time around it is taking Ford all this time to challenge the ZL1. The GT500 might not even arrive until 2020 which will be 3 MYs later. The HC is stepping their game up but 2019 is 2 MYs after the 17 ZL1. And it is safe to say that neither will take the ZL1 1LE around a track. And GM isn't even thinking about upping the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE, lol!! By the time these guys step up to the plate GM will have a killer 7th Gen ready to slap the shit out of them all over again.