[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Come on now, the LS7 wasn’t blowing motors even close to the rate the Voodoo is, especially many Voodoos are well under 5000 miles. Not even close to being similar.

Actually they dropped valves enough that one speed shop, I forget who, kept 4-5 sets of LS7 heads on the shelf that had been machined and "fixed".

I think I remember reading it back when the Z/28 came out? Or maybe sometime in 2011 when people started putting LS7's into their 5th Gen's

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by kidamer

had a few at our track on saturday , the stangs were all slightly faster then the camaros sadly. stangs were 12.5 ish camaros 12.7ish 3400 da

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Was that same day same track? Or does that count only when the Mustang loses? Just curious...

According to Kidamer....same day, same track.

proves nothing really.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Actually they dropped valves enough that one speed shop, I forget who, kept 4-5 sets of LS7 heads on the shelf that had been machined and "fixed".

I think I remember reading it back when the Z/28 came out? Or maybe sometime in 2011 when people started putting LS7's into their 5th Gen's

Not saying there wasn’t a issue, but getting heads fixed cost what, $2500. What’s a Voodoo cost, $25,000. Another difference, owners of the ls7 can get it fixed, there’s been no answer for the Voodoo. Hopefully there will be a answer as I hate to see people spend this kind of money and have issues.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Not saying there wasn’t a issue, but getting heads fixed cost what, $2500. What’s a Voodoo cost, $25,000. Another difference, owners of the ls7 can get it fixed, there’s been no answer for the Voodoo. Hopefully there will be a answer as I hate to see people spend this kind of money and have issues.

Well the crappy thing about the LS7 issue was that GM refused to admit there was a problem, kind of like Ford, but also refused to recognize that the new reworked heads were needed..thus voiding the engine warranty.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Your right in one point Ford is a bit behind, in that it doesn't have a GT500 answer to the ZL1 presently, they are more than a bit behind. The GT350 was an answer to a N/A Z28, which Chevy nixed deciding to go the ZL1 route instead, much to the dismay of many Chevy fans.

The GT350R was the answer to the gen5 Z/28...barely. The GT350 compares to the $45k 1LE. Ford was out engineered in the 6th gen and aligned with the Zeta Camaro more than the Alpha.

Don’t rule out another performance Camaro yet. There are several model years to go in this gen.

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Well the crappy thing about the LS7 issue was that GM refused to admit there was a problem, kind of like Ford, but also refused to recognize that the new reworked heads were needed..thus voiding the engine warranty.

Initially maybe but they did admit and fixed it (or so they claimed):

Quoted from Leftlane news:

Attempting to quell hysteria over the problems, a Chevy customer service representative in 2012 told Corvette Forum members that it only affects a "small number" of Z06s from the 2008-2011 model years.

"Through inspection of returned heads, it was determined that a machining error in the valve guide had occurred at our head supplier," the rep wrote. "The quality issue has been contained as of Feb 2011 with 100% inspection of all heads."

The post acknowledged engine failure as an eventual possibility if the issue is not addressed, however he claimed that drivers should hear unusual valvetrain noise before more serious problems occur.

At least they knew what the issue was.

With Ford, a typical major warranty item like this is honored depending on what side of the bed they woke up on. And even if it is, they put the same defective crap back in. "Yeah, see you in another 5 or 10k miles when it breaks again". Then the next gen will have the same defects.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

And yet, in a head to head, the GT350 was still the more desirable and satisfying car vs the ZL1. And has had zero issues selling. Seems Ford did something right, they just haven't bothered fixing what isn't broke.

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According to 2 people it was more desirable. I haven't seen an actual survey to prove that the majority of people think that way. So, it was opinion. In MY opinion, the ZL1 is more desirable. So there you have it. That and a dollar will get you a candy bar.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

I don't know, good question. You should ask kttxz06 since he made that comment. I just fixed his timeline. I see them as being about equal, with the edge going to the Mustang.

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I see them being a driver's race going either way. I'd give the edge to the SS since it gets off it's ass much faster. The GT would be playing catch up. With the A10 I think it'll be the SS all the way.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Your right in one point Ford is a bit behind, in that it doesn't have a GT500 answer to the ZL1 presently, they are more than a bit behind. The GT350 was an answer to a N/A Z28, which Chevy nixed deciding to go the ZL1 route instead, much to the dismay of many Chevy fans.

And now the GT500 isn't coming out until like January of 2019. By that time they will have no excuse if they don't beat the ZL1 and Hellcat and Demon and Z06. But time will tell. I am eager to see how it all plays out.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The LS7 had very similar problems with oil consumption issues and dropped valves, but the problems get overlooked. I'm sure the Voodoo will continue to be revered.

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I didn't follow the Z28 but I have been on this and other forums for a long time. I never heard of any issues with the Z28 to the extent I'm hearing with the GT350. I mean some people have burned thru a quart (or more) of oil in just 500 miles on those engines. And the vibrations thru the drive train has been reported many times. I'm not talking shit, I just think it is worth mentioning that it seems to be an abundance of issues plaguing the Shelby.

[ULTRAZLS1]

A car with no low end, slower than a current gt and on par with a Camaro 20k less on a road course is super desirable? Maybe to uninformed lemmings

In my opinion the gt350 is a flop. An embarrassment to ford engineering. And the slowest 530hp car I’ve ever seen.

The only magic behind the voodoo is how it can be slower than a 460 hp gt with an 70hp advantage. Even on the same platform and at a lighter weight. They can’t even outrun a new m6 gt with a weight advantage and 70 more hp. The voodoo is garbage. Slow and unreliable. Better luck next time

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

A car with no low end, slower than a current gt and on par with a Camaro 20k less on a road course is super desirable? Maybe to uninformed lemmings

In my opinion the gt350 is a flop. An embarrassment to ford engineering. And the slowest 530hp car I’ve ever seen.

The only magic behind the voodoo is how it can be slower than a 460 hp gt with an 70hp advantage. Even on the same platform and at a lighter weight. They can’t even outrun a new m6 gt with a weight advantage and 70 more hp. The voodoo is garbage. Slow and unreliable. Better luck next time

Damn bro, lol!!

But seriously, I do feel like outside of the looks, there is nothing desirable about the GT350 to me. Even when I really tried to consider one seriously, looking at them and seeing that some of them had the base Mustang radio and infotainment setup was just too much. Like I said before, you can get a M6 ZL1 for just a little more than a non-R GT350 and it'll beat the Shelby everywhere while offering all the upgraded stuff. And even the much much more expensive GT350R can't beat it. And now seeing that even the GT is faster is just a bit silly if you ask me. But again, we all know that is due to the trans and because the GT has to keep up with the SS. But still. I think Ford has their work cut out for them in the future. After this I doubt they'll get caught sleeping again. I count it as a loss for them but I think they'll bounce back.

One thing I don't like is that it seems like they're trying to brag about the upcoming GT500 with that "Venom kills Demons" statement. That is a bit silly also. I mean, they're coming after cars that have already been out for some time. And the GT500 won't even be in production at the same time as the Demon considering the Demon is a 1 year production. LOL. It's easy to beat cars that are already out and have been out for quite some time (HC, ZL1, Z06)...

[ULTRAZLS1]

Mostly just bored for a sec and trolling lol. Gt 350 is a decent enough car I guess. Was just kind disappointed in it as a whole

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Mostly just bored for a sec and trolling lol. Gt 350 is a decent enough car I guess. Was just kind disappointed in it as a whole

That is the problem. That it is just decent enough. It certainly isn't world changing. And at the price it comes at it really should be. And for the GT to be able to take it out regardless of trans type to me is a bit rough. The ZL1 on the other hand is on an entirely different level. Depending on the track I guess the 350R could stay within a respectable distance. But on other tracks I'm not seeing it being even close. And it definitely isn't close in a straight line. Decent enough these days is not good enough.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

A car with no low end, slower than a current gt and on par with a Camaro 20k less on a road course is super desirable? Maybe to uninformed lemmings

In my opinion the gt350 is a flop. An embarrassment to ford engineering. And the slowest 530hp car I’ve ever seen.

The only magic behind the voodoo is how it can be slower than a 460 hp gt with an 70hp advantage. Even on the same platform and at a lighter weight. They can’t even outrun a new m6 gt with a weight advantage and 70 more hp. The voodoo is garbage. Slow and unreliable. Better luck next time

Wow! Enjoy your 6th Gen.

[FastCarFanBoy]

The manual ZL1 is a barely able to scratch out a win vs the GT350 let alone being on another level... private owners can’t get the car out of the 12’s which is comical for a 650hp car. Worlds slowest 650hp car? The A10 is the only thing giving the ZL1 any respect. Same way you say it saves the GT.