[kidamer]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

that may not true on a unprepped surface or doing it on the street. Hard to beat AWD and instant torque on the street. On a prepped surface and maybe a warmer day so the turbo car isn't making horses, the stang or the Camaro will kill the Kia.

if you have over 100hp advantage and cant win by the end of a 1/4 mi, regardless of track or street prep, you need a driver mod its that simple.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

being a true chevy guy, I am glad they didn't bring out a SS Camaro 8 speed auto because the 10 speed auto 2018 mustang really is quicker than a 8 speed auto SS in the 1/4 mile. The stang can and does easy low 12's to 12.0, the 8 speed auto Camaro rarely ever does 12.0 on bone stock form.

Wut? Look at our stock A8 fast list. Last I looked the SS A8 statistical average is 12.09 sec @ 115.3 mph.

[danhr]

Originally Posted by kidamer

if you have over 100hp advantage and cant win by the end of a 1/4 mi, regardless of track or street prep, you need a driver mod its that simple.

c5 z06 - 405 hp

2017 challenger scat pack - 485 hp

difference of 80 hp

there is a full second difference between the ET of both..... so I would disagree with you

[apexit53]

Originally Posted by danhr

just to be clear... you want them to DOWNGRADE the KIA to be more competitive with the MUSTANG

I feel the grip levels should be the same or similar to be "fair" but yes lol

[DirectTo]

Originally Posted by kidamer

if you have over 100hp advantage and cant win by the end of a 1/4 mi, regardless of track or street prep, you need a driver mod its that simple.

Given the same platforms, sure. Let's not forget that weight is a critical difference, but in this case even the base stinger comes in as heavier than the base 2SS or Mustang GT. Like 400 lbs heavier. Which is kind of hilarious actually.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Wut? Look at our stock A8 fast list. Last I looked the SS A8 statistical average is 12.09 sec @ 115.3 mph.

Go out and try to do it, average car bone stock , OE tires and a average DA Day of say 2000, no hero runs.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by danhr

FI cars are less effected by positive density altitude than naturally aspirated cars......

I have been under the assumption cold air helps boost more than NA engines.

[danhr]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

I have been under the assumption cold air helps boost more than NA engines.

negative. the best analogy that I can give is that forced induction is not as dependent on atmospheric conditions, because it makes its own when it compresses the air.

a less scientific approach would be to go over to a DA calculator and play with it. You will notice that a n/a motor will gain more out of a DA correction than a FI one.

The most popular one being the drag times one:
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by kidamer

if you have over 100hp advantage and cant win by the end of a 1/4 mi, regardless of track or street prep, you need a driver mod its that simple.

Driver mod would have a tuff time beating AWD bite with just 100 a hp difference on the street when your talking OE tires on both vehicles IMO. ET is the winner not trap speed. No prep and a human starter so there is no playing with the Christmas tree reaction time or roll out benefits.

[danhr]

Originally Posted by apexit53

I feel the grip levels should be the same or similar to be "fair" but yes lol

well if we are going ot make the grip levels the same, then why can't the stinger get two extra cylinders, since the mustang has 8?

The way I see it, to get AWD on the stinger is an option, and is therefore fair game. It should be run what you brung.

now if you try comparing a different trim level.... well then that's really an apples to oranges comparison. i.e. you can't bring the gt500 in on the fight because that's not an option... it's a trim level. just like how you wouldn't be able to use the zl1 if the Camaro was in there, because it's a trim.

just my .02, and yours will obviously differ.....

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by danhr

negative. the best analogy that I can give is that forced induction is not as dependent on atmospheric conditions, because it makes its own when it compresses the air.

a less scientific approach would be to go over to a DA calculator and play with it. You will notice that a n/a motor will gain more out of a DA correction than a FI one.

The most popular one being the drag times one:
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php

Does that pertain or apply 100 % in the real world ? A heat soaked supercharged car I notice suffer more on a hot day that a NA car. And I didn't read your response correctly, your saying lower or negative DA produces more HP gain in a NA motor versus a boosted motor. I also believe that to be true so we agree!!

[danhr]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Does that pertain or apply 100 % in the real world ? A heat soaked supercharged car I notice suffer more on a hot day that a NA car.

pretty much

is it suffering because it's heat soaked or because of the DA? can't blame DA if you hot lap a car. if you do what any other sane drag racer does and let your car cool off, than a PD motor won't be as effected as an N/A motor. But IATs aren't part of the DA, are they?

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by danhr

pretty much

is it suffering because it's heat soaked or because of the DA? can't blame DA if you hot lap a car. if you do what any other sane drag racer does and let your car cool off, than a PD motor won't be as effected as an N/A motor. But IATs aren't part of the DA, are they?

I was referring to the same heat soak in a NA car and they don't seem to be effected quite as much. Cold dense air or negative /low DA. Your IAT should be much lower on a low DA day which equals more horsepower.

[danhr]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

I was referring to the same heat soak in a NA car and they don't seem to be effected quite as much. Cold dense air or negative /low DA. Your IAT should be much lower on a low DA day which equals more horsepower.

again, heat soak is not a part of the DA. you are confusing a hot engine with an engine in a hot area.

DA is calculated by elevation, humidity, temperature, and barometric pressure. those four factors and those four factors alone

and lower DA does not necessarily mean lower IAT

Example:

0 elevation
31 in Hg barometric pressure
0% humidity
60*F

equals -1149 DA

0 Elevation
29 in HG
95% humidity
60*F

equals 1350 DA

same elevation, 2500 difference in DA, but you will get the SAME IAT's.


again... try playing around with a DA calculator... you might learn a thing or two.