[Rock-It Man]

Originally Posted by qcman

I have the same car as you do currently. Here's my take and I've never been in a Gen 6 anything so full disclosure there.

The L99 is fine on 91. I'm running a 91 tune until my long trips are done in the next month or so then I'll put the 94 tune back on. But the car has plenty oomph with just 91 currently. Or do you guys not have 91 down there?

Tires- I ditched my Summer tires and run P Zero All Season Plus tires now. Way more tread life, smoother ride and grip as well as my BFG Sport Comp 2's did for my driving style and ability. And they can handle some snow should I ever get caught though not likely.

Torque- Your right the L99 has a great low end & the VVT broadens the curve. I'm sure the V6 will be plenty fast but I suspect you have to wring it out more which I think is harder to do in the real world. That nice fat torque is there in the l99 to get you moving quick while still under 3000 RPM or so. Thats the one reason I'd be reluctant to have a 5.0 Mustang even though its a crazy fast car I suspect it would be harder to get into the power band without revving it up higher when driving normal.

That said only test driving one can really make up your mind & if you are happy with it hey go for it! You are right the regular gas aspect of the V6 would be appealing for sure.

I also replaced my worn P Zero tires with all seasons. I got BF Goodrich g-Force COMP 2 A/S tires which are superior to the original tires in my judgement. Maybe they would lose to the P Zeros in a skid pad test, but for me, are way better under the road conditions I encounter. And at my local drag strip, NE Dragway, the prep is so sticky that the A/S tires work well there, too.

I wish GM would offer all season tires as an option on the SS. And why not? Both the V8 Mustang and the V8 Challenger can be had with all season tires.

On a tangent subject, the L99 is a great engine and the higher peak HP of the Gen5 LS3 is irrelevant. The L99 rules the strip and the street because of the low end torque obtained with VVT.

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I think you'll be disappointed if you go from Gen5 SS to Gen6 V6. Yeah, the technology and fuel economy will be better, but it sounds like you don't care about those two.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Gen 5 V8 manual was 3850. Pretty sure the Gen 6 V8 is not 3450. It's 3685 according to what I'm seeing. Are you comparing a Gen 6 4cyl to the Gen 5 V8?

You didn't read it correct, the weight comparo was a gen 5 v8 versus a gen 6 v6

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Rock-It Man

The weight difference between a Gen5 V8 and a Gen6 V6 is 400 lbs.

I do appreciate the torque difference between V8 and V6, and the L99 has great torque and flatter torque curve than the LS3. It feels great but I rarely get to use it on the street.

Fuel economy is not a factor for me, but using regular is; some areas I travel to don't have 93 octane, and in some backwaters, you get the feeling no one ever buys the premium.

The other factor is summer tires on the SS. I never drive in winter, but these are a handicap on cold rainy days, which can happen any time of year here in New England.

Gonna have to test drive a Gen6 V6. After 9 years with a Gen5 V8, I will know right away whether the V6 is good enough for me.

Ah, one more rarely mentioned aspect, since I see you have an A6 trans and assume you'd potentially get the A8 with a Gen6 V6: AFM. My V6 did not feel powerful enough to maintain speeds above 40-45mph in 4-cylinder mode even on a flat road, I experimented some with this, maybe not enough, but couldn't keep it there, the motor did not feel strong enough. At the same time the SS I now have can even climb a minor grade and pick up speed in V4 mode, at least up to 60-65mph in my experience.

This means when you're not on the throttle and just cruising around, the V6 switches between V6 and V4 modes more frequently, and also its V4 mode will feel anemic. Then again, some couldn't care less about it, I just wanted you to have the info. Not sure a test drive would be sufficient to figure this out.

The summer only tires are a bummer up here in the northeast, I agree, but if you buy around Spring, then wear out the first set, you can always switch to all-seasons or get a proper winter set before snow hits.

[17rsvert]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

...The V6 is not powerful enough to maintain speeds above 40-45mph in 4-cylinder mode even on a flat road (trust me, I experimented some with this), the motor is not strong enough...

My V6 or A8 transmission must be defective. Its been stuck in 4-cylinder mode for long stretches of flat highway at 60 to 70 MPH many times. Is this something that should be covered under warranty?

[ecko04]

Originally Posted by 17rsvert

My V6 or A8 transmission must be defective. Its been stuck in 4-cylinder mode for long stretches of flat highway at 60 to 70 MPH many times. Is this something that should be covered under warranty?

Service Technician Notes: Works as intended. Should’ve gotten the v8.




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[Rock-It Man]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Ah, one more rarely mentioned aspect, since I see you have an A6 trans and assume you'd potentially get the A8 with a Gen6 V6: AFM. The V6 is not powerful enough to maintain speeds above 40-45mph in 4-cylinder mode even on a flat road (trust me, I experimented some with this), the motor is not strong enough, whereas the SS can even climb a minor grade and pick up speed in V4 mode, at least up to 60-65mph in my experience.

This means when you're not on the throttle and just cruising around, the V6 switches between V6 and V4 modes more frequently, and also its V4 mode will feel anemic. Then again, some couldn't care less about it, I just wanted you to have the info. Not sure a test drive would be sufficient to figure this out.

The summer only tires are a bummer up here in the northeast, I agree, but if you buy around Spring, then wear out the first set, you can always switch to all-seasons or get a proper winter set before snow hits.

Thanks for the insight about V4 mode on the V6!

Yes, the V8 A6 will stay in V4 mode on the highway on minor grades, up to about 65. From 65 to 75 it's constantly switching and over 75 it's V8 all the time. So apparently the V6 just has a lower threshold for switching.

It can be annoying even with the V8. Sometimes on long trips I shift to Manual, do one downshift to shut of AFM, and then I can cruise along in V8.

I don't drive the Camaroin the snow, ever, (SUV for that) and I found that the summer tires were OK even below freezing on dry roads. But below about 50 degrees, terrible in the rain.

What it really comes down to, for me, is that I just don't need all that torque. My favorite thing about the V8 is that it sounds like a V8. Not sure that's worth it. Anyway, I have to find a dealer that will let me take a V6 out long enough to get familiar with it. My local small dealer, the one I prefer to order from, has no Camaros on the lot.

[qcman]

Originally Posted by Rock-It Man

I also replaced my worn P Zero tires with all seasons. I got BF Goodrich g-Force COMP 2 A/S tires which are superior to the original tires in my judgement. Maybe they would lose to the P Zeros in a skid pad test, but for me, are way better under the road conditions I encounter. And at my local drag strip, NE Dragway, the prep is so sticky that the A/S tires work well there, too.

I wish GM would offer all season tires as an option on the SS. And why not? Both the V8 Mustang and the V8 Challenger can be had with all season tires.

On a tangent subject, the L99 is a great engine and the higher peak HP of the Gen5 LS3 is irrelevant. The L99 rules the strip and the street because of the low end torque obtained with VVT.

Oops I thought you were complaining about the tires the L99 came with lol thats why I suggested all seasons. Doh! I'm interested to hear what you think after a test drive compared to your current car.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by Rock-It Man

Thanks for the insight about V4 mode on the V6!

Yes, the V8 A6 will stay in V4 mode on the highway on minor grades, up to about 65. From 65 to 75 it's constantly switching and over 75 it's V8 all the time. So apparently the V6 just has a lower threshold for switching.

It can be annoying even with the V8. Sometimes on long trips I shift to Manual, do one downshift to shut of AFM, and then I can cruise along in V8.

I don't drive the Camaroin the snow, ever, (SUV for that) and I found that the summer tires were OK even below freezing on dry roads. But below about 50 degrees, terrible in the rain.

What it really comes down to, for me, is that I just don't need all that torque. My favorite thing about the V8 is that it sounds like a V8. Not sure that's worth it. Anyway, I have to find a dealer that will let me take a V6 out long enough to get familiar with it. My local small dealer, the one I prefer to order from, has no Camaros on the lot.

As far as the sound goes try to get an NPP exhaust equipped model to try and put it in the sport mode and if you end up buying it you can pull the fuse and it will be even louder all the time

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by 17rsvert

My V6 or A8 transmission must be defective. Its been stuck in 4-cylinder mode for long stretches of flat highway at 60 to 70 MPH many times. Is this something that should be covered under warranty?

They must be super flat stretches then, or my coupe was missing some magic sauce your vert has ... well, I was not able to keep it in V4 for longer than half a mile. Perhaps your right foot is better at finding the point just under the V6 reactivation threshold that might give just enough power.

[17rsvert]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

...Perhaps your right foot is better at finding the point just under the V6 reactivation threshold ...

Sorry for the sarcastic response, but I think your experience with V4 mode may be misleading to readers who never drove the V6 A8. I'll admit that it does take some practice, but to say it doesn't even work above 50 MPH is just not true.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by 17rsvert

Sorry for the sarcastic response, but I think your experience with V4 mode may be misleading to readers who never drove the V6 A8. I'll admit that it does take some practice, but to say it doesn't even work above 50 MPH is just not true.

Fair enough, no offense taken. My experience is just that, a single data point from someone who may not have had the patience to master this. I don't think serious readers would be misled, and I stand by what I wrote, but you do make a good point on it sounding too absolute. I'll update my original response to reflect that. Thanks

[beflat10r]

I had a '15 2SS, bought used in 2017 with 5800 miles on it. It was bad ass fast. Fun. But I don't go to the track, and the performance tires were not happening in the cold weather. I tried them, even though it was suggested on here and elsewhere not to drive in the cold with them. Luckily I didn't kill anyone or myself. So I just basically only looked at my Camaro through November and December. Got tired of that and traded it in on a new leftover 2017 2LT in the middle of January and actually enjoy this car more. First of all I can drive it anytime. It's fast enough for me. Fun. Regular gas too. The Gen 5 looks "old" to me- I still love the design but I like having the new version. I like all the creature comforts. Can't live without that heated steering wheel and light show! lol

[01pewterz28]

Nope no was I would downgrade for the older 5th gen just not worth it god me.