[oldman]

Originally Posted by Drsagacity

3. As far as OP, he made a good choice for his setup. Anyone who buys into the garbage that the blowers have too much torque down low are either foolish or simply haven’t driven the cars to know what they are talking about. My Procharger Vette was breaking the tires loose at 50mph all day long. So I had to learn how to control the throttle. It’s no different with a Maggie or an LT4 blower like chosen here (and present on stock cars from Mustangs, to corvettes Ron camaros). A driver has to learn how to drive with the blower...if it’s 3/4 throttle like a Procharger, or 1/3 throttle like an LT4 blower...still have to learn to drive. The fast list shows my point clearly. Not one Procharger without a Converter. Because that’s the smart way to go with a centrifigul. If you aren’t racing, don’t worry about it. You will have a blast with any of them...and be able to make any stock car look like it’s in slow motion.

So your basically saying the screw chargers can't use WOT, hence they have "too much" torque down low

[Drsagacity]

Originally Posted by oldman

So your basically saying the screw chargers can't use WOT, hence they have "too much" torque down low

Nope. I am saying every supercharger has too much boost down low on street tires to simply floor it like a stock car. With any power adder, you have to learn how to drive your sled. You get to push the throttle 3/4 full throttle and I get to push 1/2 throttle, but more torque and getting into the torque curve/ powerband is a key to being faster. That’s why Prochargered cars use a converter to get into and stay in the powerband. It’s why a PD blown car doesn’t need the converter.

So, if you are using a centri blower without a converter, you are missing your real powerband from a dig and on every shift. If you add a converter, you essentially push your car into the peak torque/powerband and it’s exactly the same as a PD blown car.

At the end they two paths end up almost identical when the mods match the power supply. If you don’t match up, it’s not as fast period. It doesn’t mean it’s not fun or that it’s not fast. So, bottom line, match up your mods to maximize the power for your sled. If you don’t, it’s not as fast. In other words, if you go centri, add a converter to keep up. If you go PD, spend more on the blower and skip the converter.

My personal opinion, both paths are awesome. Go with the option that your tuner is most comfortable doing and don’t look back.

[Inkedmongo]

Yeah, sorry, I was just watching a video of a $5k P1X Procharger on a bone stock Camaro throw down the same whp as your signature claims, yet you are double deep on your investment.

Do you even pump your own gas? Be honest.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Drsagacity

Nope. I am saying every supercharger has too much boost down low on street tires to simply floor it like a stock car. With any power adder, you have to learn how to drive your sled. You get to push the throttle 3/4 full throttle and I get to push 1/2 throttle, but more torque and getting into the torque curve/ powerband is a key to being faster. That’s why Prochargered cars use a converter to get into and stay in the powerband. It’s why a PD blown car doesn’t need the converter.

So, if you are using a centri blower without a converter, you are missing your real powerband from a dig and on every shift. If you add a converter, you essentially push your car into the peak torque/powerband and it’s exactly the same as a PD blown car.

At the end they two paths end up almost identical when the mods match the power supply. If you don’t match up, it’s not as fast period. It doesn’t mean it’s not fun or that it’s not fast. So, bottom line, match up your mods to maximize the power for your sled. If you don’t, it’s not as fast. In other words, if you go centri, add a converter to keep up. If you go PD, spend more on the blower and skip the converter.

My personal opinion, both paths are awesome. Go with the option that your tuner is most comfortable doing and don’t look back.

Like I already said the guy wants a cheap low boost solution, not some drag tire car period. You are the one making like the PD is the cat's meow. Sorry the low end torque of the PD is totally worthless on the street car with street tires know to most people as DAILY DRIVERS. Not some race track with zero zero drag radials, it is a cubic dollar equals the winner, not it is all PD cause the centri "needs a converter".

I mealy posted correctly I may add.,that on the street as the OP said CHEAP and DAILLY DRIVER, the toque of a PD is useless. You come in talking about drag racing blah blah blah, fine but that is not what the OP ask for, is it? Nope here it is:
"Boost: Very minimal / Daily Driveable
All components and accessories to handle boost such as intercoolers, etc
Ported Intake?
All other accessories such as CAI, Ported Intakes, we can discuss through PM or phone whichever. Please Contact me on here or just simply reply to the thread.

Which supercharger/company is pretty much my question. I want a good daily driver that's not too expensive "

There are lots of threads about drag racing, this ain't one of them.

[oldman]

To the OP, I considered ADM's LT4 as well as a base unit Procharger. I have an M6 and it has a long first gear, I was leaning more toward the ADM solution, till I got a vendor deal from Pray for, Procharger, stage II intercooler, tune, cam with fuel lobe, ported heads. To be honest I was not going to cam till next year when I would do pistons, IMO it is to much for a Daily Driver. So as we sit I'm at: Procharger 4.1 pulley, cam, Pray ported heads, MSD, 103 mm tb, headers, not cats on an M6.

I screwed up when I did my heads I changed the lifters to Z/28 lifters and they are NOT compatible with the AFM stock cam, so I had to change cam, now I don't know if I have enough fuel low side and high side...

If I did not screw up I would have: PD stock 4.1 pulley, ported heads, headers, Pray tune... perfect in every way.

[Drsagacity]

Originally Posted by Inkedmongo

Yeah, sorry, I was just watching a video of a $5k P1X Procharger on a bone stock Camaro throw down the same whp as your signature claims, yet you are double deep on your investment.

Do you even pump your own gas? Be honest.

I love it when guys with 0 experience turn into keyboard tough guys to try and cover their lack of experience and knowledge..

Why would I pump my own gas? I generally pay people like you to do the meaningless tasks for me. In fact, I have a few interns specifically focused on responding to low IQ tough guys on the Internet because I am too busy making money so I can buy my private jet. This thread is an example. This response was written by an intern, but using my voice. Please don’t take offense to my lack of personal attention. Once I have given an answer I don’t feel it necessary to spend my time rebutting incompetence.

For the record, I know reading isn’t your strong suit, but if you could bother reading anything on this forum, you would realize:
1. my numbers are from a stock car with Maggie+rotofab,
2. dyno’d In 5th gear.
3. You would also know the limitations of the stock fuel system are in the 550-575whp range.
4. You would further realize that a cai-for the base setup makes a negligible difference.

I hope my summary helps you out. I have another intern that can draw pictures in crayon if that would help?

To help the OP, none of this will matter as your choice will put you in the same place as me unless you run more boost. I think some of the guys were running closer to 10psi and getting into the 600’s. You will be completely satisfied with the LT4 PD blower, until you decide you want more. At that point you can probably sell your used LT4 blower to Inkedguy and buy a Maggie.



Mic dropped...won’t return.

[KingLT1]

Folks tend to get caught up in Dyno numbers and look at peak numbers. when I look at graphs of P1 cars, the power curve leaves a bit to be desired. So many overlook shift extension and what rpm the engine falls back to on a gear change. Also some are running into cooling issues with the P1 blowers...mainly when turned up. Keeping IAT's in check becomes a issue. I believe that is why Lethal ditched his P1 in favor of a Whipple. Pray Performance took a P1x A8 car with headers, converter, and meth to 10.0 @ 138(which is flying), but IAT's were 150+ on a 60 degree day. I even sent him a PM the day he posted those results inquiring about going that direction...he recommended going D1.

From what I gather the P1 is a good blower and fairly efficient up to 600whp, then cooling becomes a issue when pushed past that point. The Maggie is more efficient when pushed harder. I would put the LT4 blower and P1 in the same category except the LT4 provides a much better power curve. So for those that just want a simple 550whp combo, imo the LT4 is hard to beat for the price and it's a Oem solution. The Maggie offers a lot of room to grow and can utilized from 500-750whp. The D1 on the other hand pretty much maxes the stock fuel system out of the gate and for some reason many people are willing to spend big bucks on a supercharger but DON'T want to spend the money on fuel supply, that is why you see so many P1's being sold.

Moral of the Story, you get what you pay for. A 5k blower is going to get you a 600whp capable setup that maintains good efficiency and cooling. However, if you want room to grow I would skip the P1 or LT4 and move up to a Maggie, Whipple, or D1 with upgraded fuel system and not rely on Meth for fueling. You gotta pay to play...no free lunch here.

[Inkedmongo]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Folks tend to get caught up in Dyno numbers and look at peak numbers. when I look at graphs of P1 cars, the power curve leaves a bit to be desired. So many overlook shift extension and what rpm the engine falls back to on a gear change. Also some are running into cooling issues with the P1 blowers...mainly when turned up. Keeping IAT's in check becomes a issue. I believe that is why Lethal ditched his P1 in favor of a Whipple. Pray Performance took a P1x A8 car with headers, converter, and meth to 10.0 @ 138(which is flying), but IAT's were 150+ on a 60 degree day. I even sent him a PM the day he posted those results inquiring about going that direction...he recommended going D1.

From what I gather the P1 is a good blower and fairly efficient up to 600whp, then cooling becomes a issue when pushed past that point. The Maggie is more efficient when pushed harder. I would put the LT4 blower and P1 in the same category except the LT4 provides a much better power curve. So for those that just want a simple 550whp combo, imo the LT4 is hard to beat for the price and it's a Oem solution. The Maggie offers a lot of room to grow and can utilized from 500-750whp. The D1 on the other hand pretty much maxes the stock fuel system out of the gate and for some reason many people are willing to spend big bucks on a supercharger but DON'T want to spend the money on fuel supply, that is why you see so many P1's being sold.

Moral of the Story, you get what you pay for. A 5k blower is going to get you a 600whp capable setup that maintains good efficiency and cooling. However, if you want room to grow I would skip the P1 or LT4 and move up to a Maggie, Whipple, or D1 with upgraded fuel system and not rely on Meth for fueling. You gotta pay to play...no free lunch here.

I agree. No free lunch at all. GM really put the hurt on mods with fuel delivery on these cars. Have you seen the 18 Mustang with a p1x, injectors, fuel pump booster, and headers throwing down 736-738 to the rear wheels on 109, and 680s on pump 93?

[misterjaayy]

Well this thread got out of hand quickly with inkedmongo and drsagacity. Here’s the bottom line. Turning to a public forum and asking such a broad question will get you pretty much what you got on this thread. A couple of good posts with a bunch of garbage mixed in and people almost always getting in a pissing match.

The bottom line is expecting forum members vendors to come to you with information on what you want probably isn’t the best course of action. Search the forum and FI section. There is a wealth of info already out there that will answer pretty much any question you have. Hit up the forums respected vendors (ADM, Weapon X, vengeance, Jannetty, ETC) and ask questions. They will guide you to the set up that’s right for you.

Good luck with your build.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by BrenoAlves

Just got my 6th Gen months ago and instead of doing parts, I want a full build and all the parts installed at once. I'm asking for any of these trusty companies such as Jennety or whichever salesman wants to converse with me about choosing my correct build. I will put a list of things I am looking for:

Boost: Very minimal / Daily Driveable
All components and accessories to handle boost such as intercoolers, etc
Ported Intake?
All other accessories such as CAI, Ported Intakes, we can discuss through PM or phone whichever. Please Contact me on here or just simply reply to the thread.

Which supercharger/company is pretty much my question. I want a good daily driver that's not too expensive

Hello BrenoAlves, I am sorry I didn't see this thread till today, been quite busy.

I am available to talk with you over the phone 203-753-7223, I will be happy to answer all your questions and put a package together to meet your goals.

Thank you For your business.

Ted.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by Inkedmongo

I agree. No free lunch at all. GM really put the hurt on mods with fuel delivery on these cars. Have you seen the 18 Mustang with a p1x, injectors, fuel pump booster, and headers throwing down 736-738 to the rear wheels on 109, and 680s on pump 93?

Yep...Pray Made 660 in 5th with 93 and meth using a P1x that was already on the car. The IAT's were climbing up there tho even on a cool day. that is why he suggested the D1 for better efficiency and lower IAT's after multiple runs. The P1x will make power but it gets hot. probably not a issue for a street car that makes a pull here and there, but for a track oriented car it will play a factor.

[BrenoAlves]

Originally Posted by misterjaayy

Well this thread got out of hand quickly with inkedmongo and drsagacity. Here’s the bottom line. Turning to a public forum and asking such a broad question will get you pretty much what you got on this thread. A couple of good posts with a bunch of garbage mixed in and people almost always getting in a pissing match.

The bottom line is expecting forum members vendors to come to you with information on what you want probably isn’t the best course of action. Search the forum and FI section. There is a wealth of info already out there that will answer pretty much any question you have. Hit up the forums respected vendors (ADM, Weapon X, vengeance, Jannetty, ETC) and ask questions. They will guide you to the set up that’s right for you.

Good luck with your build.

Haha, thanks bro. I think the guy who said the weapon X one has the best choice for me just for a daily driver, I don't do any track racing or street racing. Just want a badass car mines even a convertible

[misterjaayy]

Originally Posted by BrenoAlves

Haha, thanks bro. I think the guy who said the weapon X one has the best choice for me just for a daily driver, I don't do any track racing or street racing. Just want a badass car mines even a convertible

Yeah I have the LT4 blower from ADM. It’s a great kit and is more than enough power for what you’re looking for. Can’t go wrong with either kit as I think they are virtually the same.

[oldman]

I really liked the price the instance response and way the setup looked and the OEM quality of ADM or Weapon X setup. I would have gone with this route if I did not get a great deal from Pray Performance. I will add go with somebody that can tune and provide support for it, ADM or Weapon X have impeccable reputations...