[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by autocross

Isn’t there more to a comparison thread than drag racing times? Surely there’s more to a car than just numbers?

This thread is 52 pages long and is one of several threads all discussing both cars in great detail. We've discussed every aspect a few times. Most of us commenting on here have also followed all the other threads and this one from the beginning. We'll get to other stuff again when we get to it. Of course you can go thru and search for info or go thru the other threads or start your own thread or post up something to change the conversation if you want. So I'm not sure what you're getting at...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I’m neither defending it nor against it. I understand that it is part of the game. It adds flavor to the stew imo.

I am against it when you're trying to say you ran this or that time or when you're lying to mislead people into thinking something false or when a person is trying to make themself or their car look better than what it really is.

[Quinten_33]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I never said it did. I mentioned my experiences. And likewise, what you've seen doesn't paint the entire picture either.


Well the funny thing is that you and the other Mustang guy are the only 2 people defending this type of behavior and making excuses for it. And you're the one talking about how the entire car game that you came up in was full of people lying about their mods. You're the one who hasn't had anything negative to say about this behavior. So if any is full of shit it's you.

Why are you soo defensive of it? I could respect you if you had said that it was lots of people doing that and if you didn't show your support of it. But all you've done is effectively defended the people who lie and bullshit about their cars. So how the hell do you even know if your fast lists over there are accurate? For all you know everyone running the best times in the stock category are all modded. What a joke...


I certainly have had run-ins with these types also. Most notably and most recently the guitarmeggedon dude who claimed his tuned ZL1 with cai is making 630 RWHP and beating Demons. I had it out with him on one of the pages and several others called him on his shit too. The difference is that we aren't defending it when any of the Camaro guys do it like these 2 Mustang guys are trying to defend it. I call people on their shit. And each time I do it turns out that they had other mods that they left out.

When did he claim that he beat a demon with 630whp? Has he raced a Demon yet? He now makes close to 700whp blower only and 900whp on nitrous. He also runs bias-ply tires and now a transbrake. He can easily be a a Demon, not sure about the 630whp though.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Quinten_33

When did he claim that he beat a demon with 630whp? Has he raced a Demon yet? He now makes close to 700whp blower only and 900whp on nitrous. He also runs bias-ply tires and now a transbrake. He can easily be a a Demon, not sure about the 630whp though.

That guy has (Or had) two ZL1s. I believe the 2017 one he is claiming beat a Demon in a roll race. I've seen several videos claming to beat Demons in roll races.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Quinten_33

When did he claim that he beat a demon with 630whp? Has he raced a Demon yet? He now makes close to 700whp blower only and 900whp on nitrous. He also runs bias-ply tires and now a transbrake. He can easily be a a Demon, not sure about the 630whp though.

He has a YT video where he claimed he was making 630 RWHP with just a tune and a cai. And he raced a Demon and walked it. Then he made a second video claiming that some other guy with a Demon saw his first video and wanted to race him. So in that video he walked the second Demon. We discussed this at length on one of the threads in the ZL1 subforum. I called him on his bullshit. And I got into an argument with him on one of the FB pages. He either lied about how much HP and mods he has or the race was staged.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

That guy has (Or had) two ZL1s. I believe the 2017 one he is claiming beat a Demon in a roll race. I've seen several videos claming to beat Demons in roll races.

I find it a bit sketchy that this dude keeps finding people with Demons who are willing to street race him. Yet in all the time that the Hellcat has been around he has never once raced one of them.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I am against it when you're trying to say you ran this or that time or when you're lying to mislead people into thinking something false or when a person is trying to make themself or their car look better than what it really is.

fair enough, If a guy omits he has performance boosting mods like headers, race gas then i'm right there with you , but the bitching about things like adjusting stock tire air pressure or changing things that dont make a car any faster in and of themselves like axle shafts and oil pump gears I have to laugh at. the car would run just as fast without those mods.

[Doin It For Dale]

He did beat a Demon in a roll race on the highway. The Demon had all the seats, no skinnies, an no high-octane tune. The Demon isn't that fast from a roll, especially from high speed rolls. That that ZL1, with a 10-speed, weight advantage and drag radials, is fast. It wasn't staged. From a dig, it'd be a close race with victory going to the Demon.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I find it a bit sketchy that this dude keeps finding people with Demons who are willing to street race him. Yet in all the time that the Hellcat has been around he has never once raced one of them.

Yeah seems like something is off.

[Doin It For Dale]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I find it a bit sketchy that this dude keeps finding people with Demons who are willing to street race him. Yet in all the time that the Hellcat has been around he has never once raced one of them.

He did race a hellcat, and I think he won(it was almost a year ago). The Demon that he "found" was actually brought to P.A. because its owner was taking delivery of a ZR1 at Whitmoyer and wanted to drop off the Demon for a paint protection wrap at Inshane Designs. While he was in P.A., he figured that it wouldn't hurt to do a little comparison between the Demon, ZL1, and others. He also runs a YouTube channel called DHR Street Speed. He owns a Trackhawk, Hellcat, Viper ACR, C7 ZR1, ZL1 1LE, GT500, and more.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

fair enough, If a guy omits he has performance boosting mods like headers, race gas then i'm right there with you , but the bitching about things like adjusting stock tire air pressure or changing things that dont make a car any faster in and of themselves like axle shafts and oil pump gears I have to laugh at. the car would run just as fast without those mods.

Well nobody makes any changes at all, even seemingly insignificant changes, for no reason. If you're lowering pressure every time you run but then claim it doesn't do anything then why are you doing it in the first place? Plus all of those things together add up to quite a bt of a performance difference. But that isn't what I was talking about anyway. I'm talking about the ones who have extensive mods but say they're simple bolt-ons. Stuff like that...

Originally Posted by Doin It For Dale

He did beat a Demon in a roll race on the highway. The Demon had all the seats, no skinnies, an no high-octane tune. The Demon isn't that fast from a roll, especially from high speed rolls. That that ZL1, with a 10-speed, weight advantage and drag radials, is fast. It wasn't staged. From a dig, it'd be a close race with victory going to the Demon.

I'm skeptical. A Hellcat owner challenged him to a race one time and he declined. I even challenged him in my Hellcat and he declined. I think the kid is full of shit.

Originally Posted by Doin It For Dale

He did race a hellcat, and I think he won(it was almost a year ago). The Demon that he "found" was actually brought to P.A. because its owner was taking delivery of a ZR1 at Whitmoyer and wanted to drop off the Demon for a paint protection wrap at Inshane Designs. While he was in P.A., he figured that it wouldn't hurt to do a little comparison between the Demon, ZL1, and others. He also runs a YouTube channel called DHR Street Speed. He owns a Trackhawk, Hellcat, Viper ACR, C7 ZR1, ZL1 1LE, GT500, and more.

He said in his video with the Demon that he hasn't had a chance to race a Hellcat. And if the Demon is that bad from a roll, why is that the only way he'll race one? So should I take my ZL1 and race a Hellcat around a track and then brag about it when I win. He's a douche. And he doesn't even go to the track. If he really wanted to race a Demon then he could have lined up against one from a dig.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Doin It For Dale

He did beat a Demon in a roll race on the highway. The Demon had all the seats, no skinnies, an no high-octane tune. The Demon isn't that fast from a roll, especially from high speed rolls. That that ZL1, with a 10-speed, weight advantage and drag radials, is fast. It wasn't staged. From a dig, it'd be a close race with victory going to the Demon.

Why is the Demon bad from a roll? every internet pro racer has been claiming that weight becomes much less a factor in roll races. Cars capable of 135+ in the 1/4 dont become mediocre just because you started from 50mph.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Why is the Demon bad from a roll? every internet pro racer has been claiming that weight becomes much less a factor in roll races. Cars capable of 135+ in the 1/4 dont become mediocre just because you started from 50mph.

It's not just the Demon, the Hellcats suffer this issue too. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say it's a combination of transmission/traction issues.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=102428

owner claims bone stock. Although he did adjust tire pressure so im sure that disqualifies it. Also Blaqwhole wasn't there to certify the pass so that probably also disqualifies it.

Its also not on the M6G fast list so thats 3 strikes.

was in 1300' d/a as well. Could be Evan Smith's ringer ....looks like the same car.

Interesting, I wasn't aware a red light time counted for anything...because I certainly don't count those times at all...

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Neither of those require dyno tuning so...


No mod “requires” dyno tuning.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please, please, please tell me you aren't seriously believing that bit?

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

LT's, Tunes, Intakes, E85, Intake Manifolds, Halfshafts,Gears, etc..is not "heavily modified"

Add in cams, etc...then you're getting closer.

Built motors, strokers, custom FI, etc..that's heavily modified.

To start, I agree with your comment about the heavily modified aspect. Built motors, bulletproofed transmissions, custom etc etc....that's what I generally qualify/quantify as heavily modified.

However, when you are modifying enough small parts, that still qualifies as heavily modified.

If you replace half shafts, intake, headers, upgraded gears, tune, intake, brakes, etc... you have essentially greatly modified the standard performance of that vehicle. I'd understand if you only did a few minor things, but man, some people have swapped out so many "small" parts that the car isn't even what it was on the assembly line, much less remotely "stock".