[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I have no problem calling him a liar. I don't believe for a second that car didn't have the sway bar removed at the least. I also have no problem calling bullshit that a tune and dragpack on 94 octane will drop a Mustang into the 10s. Whatever it is that those tuner shops are selling I'm not buying it. Sorry. I'm not that ignorant.

Yet I am sure you have no problem believing Private Camaro Owners were in fact 100% stock during their magic runs where no publication has ever gotten close to in 2+ years of trying. But you don't believe that one of the best quarter mile drivers of our time, was able to pilot a GT to 11:80s in great conditions and a complete detailed review printed with a video.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Car and Driver corrects for sea lvl. Evan went 11's in positive d/a, but that was the ringer...right? Because you dont really want to call Evan a liar and you cant accept that he did go 11.8 stock because if he did...well an 10.99-11.0x isnt out of the realm of possibility for a tune/Cai/drap pack car.

an '18 is of no interest to me...I have no desire to go backward in performance and a two door is not in my future.

I also have no problem calling him a liar. In fact, I said it to him directly when he joined here and made a post about his run. We have seen enough evidence of these Mustang guys hiding mods, not being honest about mods, leaving mods out of their lists, and so on. So I'm supposed to believe Evans did better than several pro drivers? Hell no. Especially when those other drivers could barely do a 12.2 and 12.3 on DRs. And if by chance he actually did do what he claims to have done, then that means there are some very wild variances in the Mustang's performance numbers. One minute it does 12.6 stock. Next minute it does 12.0 stock. Then it's doing a 12.2 and 12.3 with DRs, and then it does an 11.8 stock. All by pro drivers nonetheless.

And even if all this is true, it means that the Mustang, at it's very best, simply tied the SS in a straight line while still getting destroyed in cornering and braking. So it is a one-trick-pony. And the fact that you have to option this in and make sure it has that and drag mode etc vs the SS which you can just go and buy whichever one you want and still be fast says a lot. Get a base GT. What are they doing? I'd love to see one of those against a base SS.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Yet I am sure you have no problem believing Private Camaro Owners were in fact 100% stock during their magic runs where no publication has ever gotten close to in 2+ years of trying. But you don't believe that one of the best quarter mile drivers of our time, was able to pilot a GT to 11:80s in great conditions and a complete detailed review printed with a video.

I believe the Camaro guys because most of us have seen it. I at least have seen several Camaro guys at the track with stock cars running low 12s in the middle of the Summer. The fact that the Mustang guys had to manipulate every variable in their favor and option the hell out of the GT tells me that their story ain't all together. The Camaro came out and normal guys were going to the track making videos. The Mustang came out and somehow all these pro shops got their hands on it first and somehow in the dead of Winter was able to get track rentals and video their runs and make these unicorn runs that so far have not been duplicated.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Yet I am sure you have no problem believing Private Camaro Owners were in fact 100% stock during their magic runs where no publication has ever gotten close to in 2+ years of trying. But you don't believe that one of the best quarter mile drivers of our time, was able to pilot a GT to 11:80s in great conditions and a complete detailed review printed with a video.

Which run(s) would you point to as magic? The top 20 average is 12.090 sec @ 115.311 mph. The standard deviation is 0.08 sec / 1.67 mpg!!!! That’s pretty damn consistent.


I’d describe a magic run as one the doesn't fit the average or from a source that profits from it. Like a freelance Mustang magazine writer or Mustang speed shops. The majority of guys on Camaro6 fast list hardly ever race and do not post in that sub forum.

After Evan’s run, Mustang fans were convinced 11.8 would be the norm. Where are the top 20 privates owner 11.8 second runs? Magic?

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The fastest GT on the fast list is still slower then the slowest SS on the fast list.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I have no problem calling him a liar. I don't believe for a second that car didn't have the sway bar removed at the least. I also have no problem calling bullshit that a tune and dragpack on 94 octane will drop a Mustang into the 10s. Whatever it is that those tuner shops are selling I'm not buying it. Sorry. I'm not that ignorant.

LOL sway bar.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

LOL sway bar.

At the least. Yes I'm calling Evan Smith a liar.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

At the least. Yes I'm calling Evan Smith a liar.

can't really decide between and

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

At the least. Yes I'm calling Evan Smith a liar.

Perhaps it’s not Evan. It could be that Ford has yet to provide a GT to one of its buyers that can run 11.8.

I hope we are wrong and M6G owners start ripping off a dozen 11.8 passes each weekend. (Great motivation for Chevy in gen7). It’s just really, really surprising how unsuccessful GT owners have been which points to a coordinated BS rollout on Ford’s parts.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Perhaps it’s not Evan. It could be that Ford has yet to provide a GT to one of its buyers that can run 11.8.

I hope we are wrong and M6G owners start ripping off a dozen 11.8 passes each weekend. (Great motivation for Chevy in gen7). It’s just really, really surprising how unsuccessful GT owners have been which points to a coordinated BS rollout on Ford’s parts.

We have seen this a million times. Mustang performance shops take a "stock" Mustang and run times that can't be reproduced. Then they say they have the best drivers blah blah. Later we find out that the fastest "stock" cars weren't stock at all.

[Steph93lx]

Mustang fast list is dead since December 2 before the 2018 had really started to reach customers.

There is 0 2018 on the fast list. We don't even bother posting!



I know of only 4 2018 mustang that have run stock or stock with drag radial and drag mode

Evan Smith 11.8's 0DA street 275 tire pp1
Ecobeast 11.8's drag radial -DA pp1
Friend 11.6's drag radial lighter front wheel/tires -800 DA
Someone else 12.0's +800 DA street tire

Friend with drag mode 12.5's 235 tire.

Yes the same who ran 11.5-6 with drag radial then later with mods 10.98
He was not hooking at all with drag mode and a 12.5's. Kind of show how different is the drag mode since he did 12.06 with the same 235 tires 15 minutes before without drag mode because of better traction with soft normal mode.

Then base no drag mode stock

LMR 12.0's stock 300A pp1 slightly +DA
Lund 12.00 normal mode -DA
Steeda 12.2 1000+ DA
Friend 12.06 -DA
Another 2018 base 12.04 with 20" street tire

There is other for sure but hard to know about it since there is no fast list for the 2018.

You don't see the 10.7's low 11's bolt ons on any list either there are no active fast list for the 2018

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Perhaps it’s not Evan. It could be that Ford has yet to provide a GT to one of its buyers that can run 11.8.

I hope we are wrong and M6G owners start ripping off a dozen 11.8 passes each weekend. (Great motivation for Chevy in gen7). It’s just really, really surprising how unsuccessful GT owners have been which points to a coordinated BS rollout on Ford’s parts.

I see 4 sub 12 sec passes on the 6th Gen fast list posted above in 2.5 years of trying. The best pass ever published in a review is 12:20s. But the standard for the GT is dozens of 11:80s each weekend. Laughable at best. Let's see where the 18 and 19s fast list for the GT is in the same 2.5 year time frame since we now 100% trust private owner claimed stock run times.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Which run(s) would you point to as magic? The top 20 average is 12.090 sec @ 115.311 mph. The standard deviation is 0.08 sec / 1.67 mpg!!!! That’s pretty damn consistent.
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I’d describe a magic run as one the doesn't fit the average or from a source that profits from it. Like a freelance Mustang magazine writer or Mustang speed shops. The majority of guys on Camaro6 fast list hardly ever race and do not post in that sub forum.

After Evan’s run, Mustang fans were convinced 11.8 would be the norm. Where are the top 20 privates owner 11.8 second runs? Magic?

PONED, What is so hard to believe that the fastest "stock" ones ain't.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I see 4 sub 12 sec passes on the 6th Gen fast list posted above in 2.5 years of trying. The best pass ever published in a review is 12:20s. But the standard for the GT is dozens of 11:80s each weekend. Laughable at best. Let's see where the 18 and 19s fast list for the GT is in the same 2.5 year time frame since we now 100% trust private owner claimed stock run times.

Lot more times on the gen 6 Facebook page. Including 11.7 and 11.8 second stock runs. None of the times on the new GT on a fast list forum. Just saying if you count GT runs not on a list then other times are fair game for the SS as well.