[Snowblind]

Originally Posted by 1295/SS

Have you ever run your Boss at the track? I have seen several and none have come close to the times you're quoting from mags.

That's a question that has went unanswered.

It is easy to cherry pick numbers that fit your particular argument. A quick Google search pulls up MotorTrend as the top hit, but if you dig some more you will find that AutoRivals ran a 12.7 back in the day and Hennessey tested a Boss 302 also, 12.7@112.9 before modding it.

A gutted Boss running 1/4 times below.
https://youtu.be/uIYvF89P4Kk

[1295/SS]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I owned a 2012 GT and the Boss is much faster. Most reviews have the Boss 3-5 tenths quicker and 3-4 mph faster in the 1/4. I have driven a new 1LE and I would say the race would be neck and neck likely coming down to who is the better driver, unlike the automatics it is going to take the driver skills to launch the car.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...boss-302-test/

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...-premium-test/

Keep telling yourself that.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

relax, the point of bringing up the Boss was to show that 2 cars of equal weight one being a torque monster with a HP advantage and the other being a 5yo gutless turd with a feminine powerband and down on peak power can produce the same 1/4 mile times/speeds.

at least thats what i got out of it.

If Ford had it all figured out in the Boss 5 years ago, what happened that the coyote shit the bed so badly in the S550? Them’s GT350 Voodoo ETs. Pretty cool that the $37,995 base SS is right there with them.

https://www.caranddriver.com/compari...e-specs-page-4

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...gt350r-review/

[LS6-M22]

Originally Posted by 1295/SS

Keep telling yourself that.

Yeah I found that funny myself

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

If Ford had it all figured out in the Boss 5 years ago, what happened that the coyote shit the bed so badly in the S550? Them’s GT350 Voodoo ETs. Pretty cool that the $37,995 base SS is right there with them.

https://www.caranddriver.com/compari...e-specs-page-4

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...gt350r-review/

I don't think it's the engines. Despite the solid axle being ancient Ford had it dialed in and it put the power down. Also the S197 cars were lighter. So I would say its the weight gain and the IRS not putting power down as efficiently/effectively

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I don't think it's the engines. Despite the solid axle being ancient Ford had it dialed in and it put the power down. Also the S197 cars were lighter. So I would say its the weight gain and the IRS not putting power down as efficiently/effectively

The thing is..the SRA is generally better for track performance (both drag and open course). A SRA with a properly set up 4 link, watts link and torque arm is a much more planted and generally stable car than a IRS car of similar spec.

Where the SRA loses out is on the streets in terms of comfort and with less skilled drivers who don't know how to handle the loss of stability when a road hazard appears (IE a pothole, sudden dip in the road, etc).

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The thing is..the SRA is generally better for track performance (both drag and open course). A SRA with a properly set up 4 link, watts link and torque arm is a much more planted and generally stable car than a IRS car of similar spec.

Where the SRA loses out is on the streets in terms of comfort and with less skilled drivers who don't know how to handle the loss of stability when a road hazard appears (IE a pothole, sudden dip in the road, etc).

VIR lap times:

2012 Boss Mustang GT - 3:02 SRA
2016 1LE V6 Camaro - 3:04 IRS

And the V6 Camaro actually beat the 2016 GT too around the track as well...

SRA is great for drag racing...but on a road course....IRS will out perform SRA's every time...can you make an SRA perform as good? You can get it in the ballpark, but not as good imho...

[GuywithL86]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

VIR lap times:

2012 Boss Mustang GT - 3:02 SRA
2016 1LE V6 Camaro - 3:04 IRS

Lol

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

VIR lap times:

2012 Boss Mustang GT - 3:02 SRA
2016 1LE V6 Camaro - 3:04 IRS

And the V6 Camaro actually beat the 2016 GT too around the track as well...

SRA is great for drag racing...but on a road course....IRS will out perform SRA's every time...can you make an SRA perform as good? You can get it in the ballpark, but not as good imho...

Apparently I wasn't making myself clear.

The Boss Mustang was set up well for a stock factory car. I was mentioning things that were not included in the factory Boss (4 link, watts link, torque arm, etc)

As I said, the notion of an IRS being inherently superior is rubbish.

Put a Boss 302 with a tuned 4 link, watts link and torque arm on a track, on the same day and same driver, with a 2013 1LE (or a 2016 SS) and it can easily take the win because an IRS is not necessarily a shoe in for victory.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Apparently I wasn't making myself clear.

The Boss Mustang was set up well for a stock factory car. I was mentioning things that were not included in the factory Boss (4 link, watts link, torque arm, etc)

As I said, the notion of an IRS being inherently superior is rubbish.

Put a Boss 302 with a tuned 4 link, watts link and torque arm on a track, on the same day and same driver, with a 2013 1LE (or a 2016 SS) and it can easily take the win because an IRS is not necessarily a shoe in for victory.

Awwwwww dude....don't get mad...

Point is, you take a well setup IRS suspension and match it against a well setup SRA suspension, same day same driver, and I'll watch the IRS win....

That's not to say the SRA will be junk or anything...but just stop with this oh it will be magical thought process..

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Apparently I wasn't making myself clear.

The Boss Mustang was set up well for a stock factory car. I was mentioning things that were not included in the factory Boss (4 link, watts link, torque arm, etc)

As I said, the notion of an IRS being inherently superior is rubbish.

Put a Boss 302 with a tuned 4 link, watts link and torque arm on a track, on the same day and same driver, with a 2013 1LE (or a 2016 SS) and it can easily take the win because an IRS is not necessarily a shoe in for victory.

The Boss 302 Laguna Seca version ran three seconds slower than the non-1LE Camaro at Streets of Willow. The mods you mentioned will help, but they won't make up for a three second differential. The SS 1LE is 2 1/2 seconds faster then the standard SS at Streets. That makes it almost six seconds faster in one lap.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Awwwwww dude....don't get mad...

Point is, you take a well setup IRS suspension and match it against a well setup SRA suspension, same day same driver, and I'll watch the IRS win....

That's not to say the SRA will be junk or anything...but just stop with this oh it will be magical thought process..

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To argue about a venue that the overall vast majority of these cars will never enter is kind of ridiculous. Even if they were to enter the venue would the driver even have the ability to extract the true limits of the car? Would the owner/driver spend the high dollar cost of track racing (track fees, club memberships, tires, brakes), and ignore fear of accident, or drivetrain damage, to push their car to the absolute limits.

Wouldn't the conversation be better served talking about the venues that the car will be used in? Focus on the 99% instead of the 1%.

[ULTRAZLS1]

IRS has an even bigger advantage on regular less than perfect road conditions. Real world. One tire gets unsettled over a bump instead of both

[FastCarFanBoy]

There is validity in the track times as I’m sure the 1LE is undoubtedly easier to drive near the limit and therefore will make inexperienced drivers feel more confident. Once you start getting into the <2 second delta range it probably means little on the street.