[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by SD1

So, saying all of this, explain why more of you aren't opting for SS1LE's??? It is a cheap and VERY effective track car and there is a lot of chat about the SS1LE being a more suitable street car, I for one am convinced. Having thought it over for the past ten days or so, really wanting a "nicer" car, in terms of creature comforts and the end all beat all power, and trans of the ZL1, is in the end, mostly unusable on the street. And while it is a faster car on the track, it does take a competent driver to accomplish that too. If you are truly interested in value OR that concerned with depreciation, the SS1LE is a very practical solution. One of the things I have enjoyed over the years is the competitive notion of posting track and autoX and even 1/4 mile times on par or better than that of more powerful and usually more expensive cars. Just a thought. I mean its a lot of fun to keep pace with GT3's and F430's in a lowly Cayman, how much MORE fun would it be to do it in a car that costs. 25% of those cars???

It’s the DSSV dampers that make the ZL1 1LE better than the SS one

[SD1]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

It’s the DSSV dampers that make the ZL1 1LE better than the SS one

Well yes, but for 25K, that is the premium you pay to go from a 1SSLE to a ZL1, or about 20k to get the mag ride ZL1. One of the reasons this thread is ongoing. Again, can you really push a ZL1 1LE around on the streets any harder than a 1SSLE? I mean yes, a LITTLE, on the track, def, but you have to be a pretty good driver to really extract the potential of the car. I understand much of this is just prestige and wanting something that is simply put, "outrageous" but for those who are concerned about value and depreciation.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by SD1

Well yes, but for 25K, that is the premium you pay to go from a 1SSLE to a ZL1, or about 20k to get the mag ride ZL1. One of the reasons this thread is ongoing. Again, can you really push a ZL1 1LE around on the streets any harder than a 1SSLE? I mean yes, a LITTLE, on the track, def, but you have to be a pretty good driver to really extract the potential of the car. I understand much of this is just prestige and wanting something that is simply put, "outrageous" but for those who are concerned about value and depreciation.

Prestige? Hmmmpph.

I'm not taking anything away from the SS 1LE, because it's a fine car in it's own right. Very track capable...not really drag capable off the rack.

If you cannot differentiate the LT1 from the LSA, an engine that can easily handle 800rwhp...some have pushed past 1100 rwhp...then this discussion is over.

You really want to keep up with a Z in a SS 1LE? Watch those half shafts and that differential. You simply cannot put enough hp in an LT1 before upgrading the drivetrain.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

Prestige? Hmmmpph.

I'm not taking anything away from the SS 1LE, because it's a fine car in it's own right. Very track capable...not really drag capable off the rack.

If you cannot differentiate the LT1 from the LSA, an engine that can easily handle 800rwhp...some have pushed past 1100 rwhp...then this discussion is over.

You really want to keep up with a Z in a SS 1LE? Watch those half shafts and that differential. You simply cannot put enough hp in an LT1 before upgrading the drivetrain.

First off, he drives a GTI (Sorry I had to)

Is the 5th gen ZL1 a part of this discussion? Unless I missed something, I don't think it was? In which case the argument would be more LT4 vs LT1 which is even more of a murder show than the LT1 vs LSA.

And I think he's saying that without good driving skills, the ZL1 1LE is well beyond anybody's abilities and so is the SS 1LE for that matter. But does that matter? No not really. I mean, 90% of the owners (Or more) that bought cars of the caliber of a P1, 918, LaFerrari etc have never driven anything like it, much less driven on a track. It's the same story with ZL1 1LE vs SS 1LE. People will buy the ZL1 1LE because they can, while a smaller percentage will buy the ZL1 1LE because they actually need that extra nearly 200 HP and DSSV/Aero/Tires etc. For example, a "rich" guy buying a Camaro, isn't going to buy an SS 1LE when he can easily buy a ZL1, 1LE or not. Same for Corvettes, anyone who could afford a Z06 would be foolish to buy a Stingray. Then again, there is a few people out there that are scared of the power and call the GS a better car than the Z06...

But to sum it up, value is in the eye of the beholder. It shouldn't influence any purchase of such a car, life is too short and I like the line from an earlier post in this thread..."I've never seen a Brinks truck following a Hearse."

[waterman]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

But to sum it up, value is in the eye of the beholder. It shouldn't influence any purchase of such a car, life is too short and I like the line from an earlier post in this thread..."I've never seen a Brinks truck following a Hearse."

If one is concerned about resale values, I would honestly encourage that person to buy property or mutual funds, not a new car.

If you want supercar performance for the amazing value of $70K... buy a ZLE.

If you want the ability to have the hair to stand up on the back of your neck after you 0.9g brake from 140 to 45 then immediately transition into a 1.1g turn in.... buy a ZLE.

In my experience, it's difficult to think about asset depreciation when you are pushing the envelope on a road course, or simply enjoying a twisty road on a beautiful Sunday afternoon.

Life is short...Just drive.

[SD1]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

First off, he drives a GTI (Sorry I had to)

For example, a "rich" guy buying a Camaro, isn't going to buy an SS 1LE when he can easily buy a ZL1, 1LE or not. Same for Corvettes, anyone who could afford a Z06 would be foolish to buy a Stingray. Then again, there is a few people out there that are scared of the power and call the GS a better car than the Z06...

Completely wrong from what I have experienced.

I was driving a 911, and have had all the "junk" over the years so what is your point about the GTI?

I specifically said I was relating this to those who were talking about depreciation and value but I see your reading comprehension equals your sharp wit.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by SD1

Completely wrong from what I have experienced.

I was driving a 911, and have had all the "junk" over the years so what is your point about the GTI?

I specifically said I was relating this to those who were talking about depreciation and value but I see your reading comprehension equals your sharp wit.

It may be reading comprehension that eludes thee and not me. You'll notice I left a clause in there for people like you...

..."Then again, there is a few people out there that are scared of the power and call the GS a better car than the Z06..."

You could easily substitute GS with SS and Z06 with ZL1...



The GTI comment pretty much meant "He has a GTI and you expect him to get prestige?" Again it was a joke and I realize you're going to find a way to say how either 1) it doesn't apply or 2) the GTI is very prestigious.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

First off, he drives a GTI (Sorry I had to)

Is the 5th gen ZL1 a part of this discussion? My snafu. Still, my point holds.

And I think he's saying that without good driving skills, the ZL1 1LE is well beyond anybody's abilities and so is the SS 1LE for that matter.

I don't know about that. With good rubber, on a good track, a decent driver can really push the Z. Not necessarily to it's extreme limits...but damn close.

And his 5 sentences are not reduced to the assertion that a Z is beyond anybody's abilities. He also mentioned price and depreciation (I'm not really concerned with those in this discussion), prestige, and a comparison of the Z to an SS 1LE, which, I think are in different ballparks for the aforementioned reasons: power and drivetrain limitations.

That being said, if you're a mediocre driver, and never to the track, and never want to push it otherwise...just get the SS.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

That being said, if you're a mediocre driver, and never to the track, and never want to push it otherwise...just get the SS.

Sure. I've never been a fan of saying someone couldn't use a car like the ZL1 1LE. Give a decent driver an SS 1LE and a ZL1 1LE and he'll go faster in the ZL1 1LE. But he was equating the performance to value, or at least that's what I get out of what he said. One of his posts pretty much said that the few thousand dollar DSSV setup is tied to an up-charge of $25,000 to the price tag of a regular SS 1LE and put the rest off to prestige. No mention of wheels/tires, engine, transmission, drivetrain and much more that is all superior and more expensive.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

That being said, if you're a mediocre driver, and never to the track, and never want to push it otherwise...just get the SS.

I'm not sure I see the reasoning in this. These cars do not have to be pushed to their limit nor do they require extreme driving skills to be enjoyed. You don't ever have to push it anywhere near it's limit to feel the cornering abilities of it. You don't have to go WOT out of a corner to enjoy the power and acceleration of it. You could drive both cars in a parking lot and tell the ZL1 has way more power.

[SD1]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

It may be reading comprehension that eludes thee and not me. You'll notice I left a clause in there for people like you...

..."Then again, there is a few people out there that are scared of the power and call the GS a better car than the Z06..."

You could easily substitute GS with SS and Z06 with ZL1...



The GTI comment pretty much meant "He has a GTI and you expect him to get prestige?" Again it was a joke and I realize you're going to find a way to say how either 1) it doesn't apply or 2) the GTI is very prestigious.

Not what you said or intimated, nice try though. It def does not apply and while not prestigious, pretty hard to find a car guy who doesn't know what a GTI is and there is a reason for that.

I actually was looking at a Vette, in fact I even contemplated a Z, but while I was at the dealer and saw the Camaro and I really loved how it looked, and for more than a few reasons it plays out for me personally.

This thread is a good discussion, do I really want a ZL1? Or would I be as happy and maybe even happier having saved some money, not worrying if the car is scratched, or letting my kid drive it and still getting 8/10ths of the performance and I can arguably able to drive it harder on a regular basis??? Its really a compelling car, and I can't think of another comparable situation with another manufacturer where there is this kind of competition between two performance cars from the same manufacturer. Its pretty cool really. You swapped, whats your story?

And people are not afraid of power, its just the law of diminishing return. A Zl1 is 30-40% more expensive has 30+% more power but performs less than 10% better.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SD1

Not what you said or intimated, nice try though. It def does not apply and while not prestigious, pretty hard to find a car guy who doesn't know what a GTI is and there is a reason for that.

I actually was looking at a Vette, in fact I even contemplated a Z, but while I was at the dealer and saw the Camaro and I really loved how it looked, and for more than a few reasons it plays out for me personally.

This thread is a good discussion, do I really want a ZL1? Or would I be as happy and maybe even happier having saved some money, not worrying if the car is scratched, or letting my kid drive it and still getting 8/10ths of the performance and I can arguably able to drive it harder on a regular basis??? Its really a compelling car, and I can't think of another comparable situation with another manufacturer where there is this kind of competition between two performance cars from the same manufacturer. Its pretty cool really. You swapped, whats your story?

And people are not afraid of power, its just the law of diminishing return. A Zl1 is 30-40% more expensive has 30+% more power but performs less than 10% better.

The ZL1 is worth every penny it costs. If you get rebates and/or a dealership that is willing to drop the price a bit then it is even more of a deal. Even if it is only less than a 10% performance difference, then that 10% feels like 10,000%. I drove the 6th Gen SS and it felt about the same as my 5th Gen FBO SS as far as straight line performance goes. It did handle and brake much better tho. However the ZL1 felt leaps and bounds over the SS. It isn't even a close match up.

[SD1]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The ZL1 is worth every penny it costs. If you get rebates and/or a dealership that is willing to drop the price a bit then it is even more of a deal. Even if it is only less than a 10% performance difference, then that 10% feels like 10,000%. I drove the 6th Gen SS and it felt about the same as my 5th Gen FBO SS as far as straight line performance goes. It did handle and brake much better tho. However the ZL1 felt leaps and bounds over the SS. It isn't even a close match up.

Yes, i did compare discounted cars to discounted cars, i guess we have gotten away from the original post. My point was if the issue of depreciation or value is in consideration, 1SSLE. I am not saying the ZL1 isn't faster, just that ssle is fast, fun and relatively affordable. I think 15 years from now, the SS1LE will be a cult car.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

It’s the DSSV dampers that make the ZL1 1LE better than the SS one

No, it's a higher-level tune all-around.