[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Agreed. Read his nut hugging posts on the Mustang forums. He tries to come over here in peace and play nice. And why is it it's ONLY the Mustang guys coming over here? I haven't seen a Mopar fanboy in ages. For some reason, it's always been like that. It's like Mustang owners feel the need to prove themselves to others I suppose. Which would explain why almost every time I pull up next to a Mustang driver (fitting the stereotype of course), they want to race. It never fails. Hey, I'm in a Mustang, hear me roar or some shit like that. It's pathetic.

Reminds me of one of the funniest situations I had a chance to witness. I had a Corvette at the time. Traffic was thick in downtown Detroit, leaving the car scene on Belle Isle Park. Mustang GT pulls up next to me and starts revving. I'm sure this was to show off for the cute girl in his passenger seat. I wave him off. A 911 pulls up next to me and we start chatting about how big of a dick the kid driving the Mustang was being. Apparently tried to get the 911 to race on Belle Isle. Never a good idea.

Suddenly we heard the Mustang rev and peel out, then we heard a bang. A pickup had rear-ended a motorcycle and knocked the cyclist to the ground. The cyclist gets up, yanks open the pickup door and is about swing on the pickup driver. The pickup driver points behind him. The Mustang had rear-ended the pickup and pushed it into the motorcycle. The cyclist let go of the pickup driver, walked up to the Mustang driver and blasted him in the jaw, kicked a huge dent in his door, picked up his cycle and left. Now the Mustang driver had a cracked fascia, accordion hood, dented door, and a very cute, but pissed off passenger.

[keon718nyc]

Originally Posted by Godfatha

Great foresight on Ford's part though, to put the hazard switch next to the stop/start button.

Always nice to have a life alert button next to the hazards heheh

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I don't think Ford knows WTF they're doing. They designed the GT350(R) to take on the 5th Gen Z cars in their last year of production which was dumb as hell and completely pointless. They built the 15 GT to be slower than the outgoing GT and matching the outgoing SS which made no sense. They could have at least matched the outgoing performance. I mean, who goes into a new platform slower than they left the old one? Ford. Then they threw together upgraded garbage on the PP which didn't do shit. Then they shot themselves in the foot since they couldn't build the GT to compete with the SS since the SS was on the heels of the Shelby. So they upgrade the GT after 3 MYs but it still couldn't beat the competition...and instead of pulling out all the stops, they paired the Bullitt up with 475 hp, the PP1, and manual trans, and threw the A10 on the GT with the 460 hp and A10 but the PP2 gets the 460 hp and M6. Why the hell didn't they just give the PP2 or Bullitt both the PP2 and the 475 hp engine. It's like they're a bunch of morons. Looking at all this bullshit, I'm starting to have doubts that the GT500 will be actually impressive.

I actually think Ford knew exactly what they were doing here, it simply back-fired. By introducing the GT 350R to compete with the outgoing Z/28, they were pretty much guaranteed "King of the Yard" status until at least the 3rd year of Gen 6, assuming GM followed the same pattern of ZL1 in year two and Z/28 in year three. Thing is, they didn't count on 6 Gen 1LE being as good as it was right out of the box.

For the record, I have found that Norm Peterson has been the voice of reason on the Mustang side and has often taken a lot of $#!t from some of the more rabid fanboys over there. I've been posting a bit lately on the Mustang side and I have found him to be among the most fair voices of there. Sometimes they are more critical of him there than people have been over here.

[Godfatha]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I actually think Ford knew exactly what they were doing here, it simply back-fired. By introducing the GT 350R to compete with the outgoing Z/28, they were pretty much guaranteed "King of the Yard" status until at least the 3rd year of Gen 6, assuming GM followed the same pattern of ZL1 in year two and Z/28 in year three. Thing is, they didn't count on 6 Gen 1LE being as good as it was right out of the box.

For the record, I have found that Norm Peterson has been the voice of reason on the Mustang side and has often taken a lot of $#!t from some of the more rabid fanboys over there. I've been posting a bit lately on the Mustang side and I have found him to be among the most fair voices of there. Sometimes they are more critical of him there than people have been over here.

Norm seems like a good guy. He's a car guy, and favors the Mustang, but seems to do his best to call it down the middle.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I actually think Ford knew exactly what they were doing here, it simply back-fired. By introducing the GT 350R to compete with the outgoing Z/28, they were pretty much guaranteed "King of the Yard" status until at least the 3rd year of Gen 6, assuming GM followed the same pattern of ZL1 in year two and Z/28 in year three. Thing is, they didn't count on 6 Gen 1LE being as good as it was right out of the box..

Bout sums it up

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I actually think Ford knew exactly what they were doing here, it simply back-fired. By introducing the GT 350R to compete with the outgoing Z/28, they were pretty much guaranteed "King of the Yard" status until at least the 3rd year of Gen 6, assuming GM followed the same pattern of ZL1 in year two and Z/28 in year three. Thing is, they didn't count on 6 Gen 1LE being as good as it was right out of the box.

For the record, I have found that Norm Peterson has been the voice of reason on the Mustang side and has often taken a lot of $#!t from some of the more rabid fanboys over there. I've been posting a bit lately on the Mustang side and I have found him to be among the most fair voices of there. Sometimes they are more critical of him there than people have been over here.

Exactly, the 350R besting the Z/28 was a total dick measuring contest. And I think it caught a lot of people off guard how good the Gen 6 1LE is. I sure as hell didn't expect it to be near Z/28 level of performance

[RLHMARINES]

"NORM"

[2012 IngotSilver 5.0]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

....which you've apparently had too much of. Touchy much?

Being factual does not = "being touchy".

Confused much?'

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

For the record, I tipped off a couple friends at FoMoCo about their typo so they can fix it before it becomes too embarrassing.

Friends at Ford? Surely, you jest.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by metros11

I'm getting data off Autotrader. You're using average, why? There is a private seller with a Laguna Seca asking $60,000, there are three other sellers that are asking over $40,000 for their LS models. Any base Boss is under $40K, so your 'average of $40,878' is definitely invalid. A Laguna Seca is to a Boss what an R is to a base GT350, same as a 1LE is to a base SS. Different cars command different prices, same as they did when they were new. And why are you using 'average' when someone thinks his 500 mile example is worth $60,000 just because it set in a garage for 5 years. This argument is ridiculous, it skews the number way up. A true indicator of where the values are headed is too look at the lowest available examples.

You want to exclude 2012s... sure, here are two perfectly good 2013 examples:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=MUST = $29,500
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=MUST = $30,444

Yes I understand your logic ignore the other 95% of similar vehicles listed for sale and focus on the very lowest price and that is where the value is. It will be interesting to see where 17-18 1LE's are in 4-5 years considering the 17 has already dropped 25%+ in year one using your lowest price analogy.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Chevro...5aI0lF&vxp=mtr

[Bluecyclone]

I enjoy "Hot Rods" the Big 3 are my preferred, but I can dig an Audi or BMW or AMG, just not in my $ range. Norm is a really great guy, I listen to his suspension & tire/wheel advise a lot. I run the twisty's with a new friend who owns a ZL1 and we just "follow" each other enjoying the G's in our cruises. Not all of us mustang owners are dicks.

[2012 IngotSilver 5.0]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

... This thread was lost a long time ago ...

It sure was.

Originally Posted by mlee

Norm, you're one of the ... I give great credence to all your posts ... Thanks for keeping it real ...

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Agreed

Agreeing with someone just because they agree with you is not a demonstration of a statement's truth.

... i was wondering if anyone knows if they are still putting in these cheap plastic plated switches that fade over time in the 18's? ...

So you aren't well informed about the '18 Mustang, but you still think you should comment on them.

Nice.

Originally Posted by keon718nyc

... i just wait for a 18' GT Pee Pee P whatever to come next to me ...

Originally Posted by Godfatha

Since PP doesn't stand for Performance Pack, what does it stand for?

Pound Puppies ... Piss Poor ... Pony Poser ... Parts Project ... Pretty Petunas

Any ideas?

Yeah, I have an idea ...

How about raising this forum's maturity level.

My Camaro buddies are good people, I hope they're not in a minority.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by 2012 IngotSilver 5.0

Agreeing with someone just because they agree with you is not a demonstration of a statement's truth.

No sh!t Sherlock, thanks for the game changing intellectual insight. LOL

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Bluecyclone

I enjoy "Hot Rods" the Big 3 are my preferred, but I can dig an Audi or BMW or AMG, just not in my $ range. Norm is a really great guy, I listen to his suspension & tire/wheel advise a lot. I run the twisty's with a new friend who owns a ZL1 and we just "follow" each other enjoying the G's in our cruises. Not all of us mustang owners are dicks.

I am with you there. Love my M3, but that will never replace the cheap to mod and enjoyable "muscle cars".......if we can even call them that these days with the way they are changing and adopting new tech.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by 2012 IngotSilver 5.0

Yeah, I have an idea ...

How about raising this forum's maturity level.

My Camaro buddies are good people, I hope they're not in a minority.

Haha! Come on, this thread has devolved into good natured stupidity at this point.... just have a laugh and relax!

As for the maturity level? Well, we've had our fair share of both sides acting like stupid idiots..

Most car people are generally good people I've found, regardless of what you drive. I'm friends with a lot of Mustang owners, including several 9-10 second cars....it's always fun to trash talk them