[72MachOne99GT]

This thread is pathetic.

Yet here I am eating the diarrhea night after night.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

This thread is pathetic.

Yet here I am eating the diarrhea night after night.

I know, it's what makes it fun. It's a good time killer when we aren't beating down Mustangs on the street.

[Snowblind]

I'm here for the nudes

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Snowblind

I'm here for the nudes

Mustang fanboys are here for the dudes...

[BlaqWhole]

One thing I'll applaud Ford for is their ability to market the Mustang. they do that much better than GM. Back when I got my S550, one of the tings that stood out (and also played a pivotal part of my decision) was the friendliness of the dealerships. I went to several Chevy dealerships to look at Camaros and not one of them offered me a test drive or even tried to push the Camaro on me. the Ford dealerships tho, no matter what you go in there for it seems like they'll try to push you towards a Mustang. They offer test drives, they'll even let you take the car for a few days. Incidentally, the only time a Chevy dealership gave me that offer was back in 05 when they were trying to sell me a Mach 1, lol!! Ford dealerships are willing to play ball when it comes to making a deal. And they'll get you in a Mustang no matter what and whether it's an EB or GT. Chevy dealerships have an arrogant attitude most of the time and they'll treat the Camaro SS like gold. And the Corvette...shit, I don't think some of them will even let you look at one without putting a deposit on it, lol!! GM needs to get their dealerships to start moving these cars. They can't just continue to sit around with arrogant uppity attitudes and have Camaros sitting on lots indefinitely and wonder why sales are low. If they start cutting more deals and moving vehicles then things will change.

To be clear, not all Ford dealerships are welcoming and not all Chevy dealerships are uppity. But it seems that more often than not the Ford dealerships will work their asses off to get you in a Mustang while the Chevy dealerships have more of a cavalier attitude about sales.

[SSfriendly]

https://youtu.be/_y1Vr2zaYJU

It a decent watch for anyone that isn't completely brand loyal.

The full version is on Netflix.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

No. Sorry - that excuse isn't going to cut it.

"GT350, flat plane crank, super-awesome suspension, top of the line, $49,000, track car - track car - track car."~Ford

No coolers. Fails at the track.

Yet the SS comes standard with those things, even on a base-model 1SS. Not because every single one of them is expected to go to Laguna Seca four times a month...but because they built a well-rounded, capable car that would back up their claims.

It's not the "idiot buyers" for assuming Ford would build something that would do what they said it would do. It's shifty Ford for not telling everyone upfront they'd need the track pack to do it, because otherwise it's a garage queen.


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But wait, the 2013-2015 SS 1LE didn't have any of those coolers either, and it didn't suffer from such issues...so, I'll toss the whole thing into the "Things that make you go, hmmmmm" category, and continue to regard the Mustang engineers with skepticism.

Kinda similar to Chevy and the track inspired Z06 that can't even run 3 laps without cooling issues. Problem is Chevy let that happen with a 100k car . What you fail to mention is that Ford fixed this issue in the next model year, so this is no longer a discussion. Has Chevy fixed the issue in the Z06 even 3 model years later? The embarrassment over negative reviews of the Z06 ensured that there would be no cooling issues with the Camaro.

[Godfatha]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

So if you're out looking to pick up ladies bring a Mustang. If your out looking to pull dudes bring a Camaro? Hey you do you, I won’t judge.

No, if I'm looking to pull on Mustangs I buy a Camaro.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Kinda similar to Chevy and the track inspired Z06 that can't even run 3 laps without cooling issues. Problem is Chevy let that happen with a 100k car . What you fail to mention is that Ford fixed this issue in the next model year, so this is no longer a discussion. Has Chevy fixed the issue in the Z06 even 3 model years later? The embarrassment over negative reviews of the Z06 ensured that there would be no cooling issues with the Camaro.

If you knew what you were talking about then you would have known that GM DID fix the issue. The redesigned the hood for greater airflow along with several other changes to eliminate the issue. Furthermore, the issues with the Z06 happened to less than 5% of all the Z06s out there. How many Shelbys did Ford have to fix? Oh, and what about the recall Ford had to put on EVERY Shelby due to the fire hazard after one got engulfed in flames at a track and damn near killed someone? It was such a blatant manufacturing mistake that they had to buy back the car from the guy even tho it was modded to the point of having a voided warranty. And what about the oil consumption issues plaguing the Shelby? Some people reported losing a quart of oil in less than 500 miles. WHat's that all about?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If you knew what you were talking about then you would have known that GM DID fix the issue. The redesigned the hood for greater airflow along with several other changes to eliminate the issue. Furthermore, the issues with the Z06 happened to less than 5% of all the Z06s out there. How many Shelbys did Ford have to fix? Oh, and what about the recall Ford had to put on EVERY Shelby due to the fire hazard after one got engulfed in flames at a track and damn near killed someone? It was such a blatant manufacturing mistake that they had to buy back the car from the guy even tho it was modded to the point of having a voided warranty. And what about the oil consumption issues plaguing the Shelby? Some people reported losing a quart of oil in less than 500 miles. WHat's that all about?

Spin it anyway you like the Z06s issues are still out there and you know it. Chevy got beat up brutally over it in the press and continues to do so. The car was an embarrassment.

Example: Taken directly from MT's recent ZR1 review:
First and foremost: is it gonna overheat? In case you’re not up to speed, when pushed hard pre-2017 Corvette Z06s heat soaked/overheated.

Road and Track ZR1 Review.
Remember the Z06's overheating issues? GM does too.
Not only does the ZR1 have a more-efficient intercooler system with a heat extractor hole in its hood, but it also packs four new radiators, bringing the number of heat-exchangers to 13.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If you knew what you were talking about then you would have known that GM DID fix the issue. The redesigned the hood for greater airflow along with several other changes to eliminate the issue. Furthermore, the issues with the Z06 happened to less than 5% of all the Z06s out there. How many Shelbys did Ford have to fix? Oh, and what about the recall Ford had to put on EVERY Shelby due to the fire hazard after one got engulfed in flames at a track and damn near killed someone? It was such a blatant manufacturing mistake that they had to buy back the car from the guy even tho it was modded to the point of having a voided warranty. And what about the oil consumption issues plaguing the Shelby? Some people reported losing a quart of oil in less than 500 miles. WHat's that all about?

Gm didn’t fix it, they put it in the instruction manual that if you want to race the car, the A8 is going to overheat and thus either buy a manual transmission equipped vehicle or deal with it going into limp mode.

Ford never had a problem, they originally stated in the manual that if you want to track the car, either plan on owning the “track pack” equipped vehicles, add external coolers or deal with it going into limp mode. Because of a few cheap asses complaining, Ford simply dropped the non-track pack equipped vehicles and started including the option (at the higher price). So basically, a few cheap-ass GT350 owners screwed everyone looking to get a lower priced GT350.

As for the oil cooler issue, corvettes had the same damn recall lol.

[ST1LE]

WOW.

Are we really arguing now which is more embarrassing between overheating issues with A8 ZO6's, and the multitude of issues with the GT350?

Seems this thread has run its course.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Gm didn’t fix it, they put it in the instruction manual that if you want to race the car, the A8 is going to overheat and thus either buy a manual transmission equipped vehicle or deal with it going into limp mode.

Ford never had a problem, they originally stated in the manual that if you want to track the car, either plan on owning the “track pack” equipped vehicles, add external coolers or deal with it going into limp mode. Because of a few cheap asses complaining, Ford simply dropped the non-track pack equipped vehicles and started including the option (at the higher price). So basically, a few cheap-ass GT350 owners screwed everyone looking to get a lower priced GT350.

As for the oil cooler issue, corvettes had the same damn recall lol.

That's a bit soft man, not sure why you want to keep coming to Ford's defense. I can promise you, they don't care about you man.

No matter how you shake it, Ford was not completely transparent about the lack of coolers on the Tech Pack. I know because I wanted one and seriously followed the release and info as it came out. Tech Pack buyers bought the car because they didn't want to drop $60K+ on a car with no tech or features in it. The screen on the Track Pack would have been a joke 5+ years ago, never mind in this day and age.

Is it every buyers job to know what they are buying? Hell yes it is, and in the end of the day it is their fault for buying a car they didn't understand. To pretend Ford doesn't deserve some blame for misleading promotional materials is a reach at best though.

The GT350 is also the only car I can think of that I actually am afraid to own due to so many issues. It is not due to lack of desire, I was just lusting over a used one last night on cargurus. New ones are now selling for less than MSRP too, so the price is right! I also do not easily shy away from cars due potential issues, I just dropped $4K replacing my rod bearings on my M3 for example. In other words, it takes a lot to scare me away and in the GT350's case there is fear to spare sadly.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

That's a bit soft man, not sure why you want to keep coming to Ford's defense. I can promise you, they don't care about you man.

No matter how you shake it, Ford was not completely transparent about the lack of coolers on the Tech Pack. I know because I wanted one and seriously followed the release and info as it came out. Tech Pack buyers bought the car because they didn't want to drop $60K+ on a car with no tech or features in it. The screen on the Track Pack would have been a joke 5+ years ago, never mind in this day and age.

Is it every buyers job to know what they are buying? Hell yes it is, and in the end of the day it is their fault for buying a car they didn't understand. To pretend Ford doesn't deserve some blame for misleading promotional materials is a reach at best though.

The GT350 is also the only car I can think of that I actually am afraid to own due to so many issues. It is not due to lack of desire, I was just lusting over a used one last night on cargurus. New ones are now selling for less than MSRP too, so the price is right! I also do not easily shy away from cars due potential issues, I just dropped $4K replacing my rod bearings on my M3 for example. In other words, it takes a lot to scare me away and in the GT350's case there is fear to spare sadly.

I'm not defending Ford per say, just not defending ignorant buyers. I'm sorry, if I wanted to track a vehicle and a manufacturer offered a track option and non track option....I'm not going to buy the non-track option and bitch when it doesn't hold up at the track.

If it weren't for the markup, I likely would have picked up a tech pack optioned MY16 GT350. I most certainly wouldn't want to pay the extra cash on the track pack when I would never had tracked the car.

Different strokes I suppose.