[HartfordRacingCaptain]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

When I see that picture. It makes me sad. Just think how much money Ford put into it. Put a $400k price tag on it. Only to see A C7 with a LT5 and aero bits beat the shit out of it.

Don't worry, the ZL1 1LE was keeping it company.

[GotSSmoked]

Originally Posted by keon718nyc

Nah, don't race much Brah, i mean bro. But pull up next to me in the right place and time then yea maybe that may be considered. What overheating? Trolling around my posts i see LOL.

I just wanted to see if you’ve made any good passes since you keep talking about smoking mustangs. No biggie, posts are public, if you don’t want them seen then delete.

[AJL13]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Why do we need the ZR1? The C7.R has already won it...





Not to mention the ZL1 1LE isn't that much slower than it...and it still outweighs the GT by like...600lbs...

Gonna have to disagree with you there; Although the ZL1 1LE is amazing for what it is, it was 7 seconds slower around VIR than the GT. Or another way of looking at it, about 1 3/4 seconds slower per mile of racetrack. That's pretty significant. Again, the ZL1 1LE is amazing, but it is not in the same class as the GT, speed-wise. You'd have to be looking through some very bowtie-colored glasses to convince yourself otherwise.

[ninetres]

Originally Posted by AJL13

Gonna have to disagree with you there; Although the ZL1 1LE is amazing for what it is, it was 7 seconds slower around VIR than the GT. Or another way of looking at it, about 1 3/4 seconds slower per mile of racetrack. That's pretty significant. Again, the ZL1 1LE is amazing, but it is not in the same class as the GT, speed-wise. You'd have to be looking through some very bowtie-colored glasses to convince yourself otherwise.

You’re comparing a lap driven in the dry winter by a decorated career race car driver, who currently drives a GT for Ford’s factory race team......to a lap driven by a f*cking magazine editor (ZL1 1LE lap, in damp weather during hot summer).

Not exactly apples to apples. At all.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by AJL13

Gonna have to disagree with you there; Although the ZL1 1LE is amazing for what it is, it was 7 seconds slower around VIR than the GT. Or another way of looking at it, about 1 3/4 seconds slower per mile of racetrack. That's pretty significant. Again, the ZL1 1LE is amazing, but it is not in the same class as the GT, speed-wise. You'd have to be looking through some very bowtie-colored glasses to convince yourself otherwise.

Actually it was only 2.7 sec slower with same lighting lap driver. It was a pro race driver that got it to 7 sec. put a pro driver in the zl1 1le and the gap would close again. It will still be behind, just not 7 sec.

[AJL13]

Originally Posted by ninetres

You’re comparing a lap driven in the dry winter by a decorated career race car driver, who currently drives a GT for Ford’s factory race team......to a lap driven by a f*cking magazine editor (ZL1 1LE lap, in damp weather during hot summer).

Not exactly apples to apples. At all.

Fair enough, but in the world of magazine racing, there is no apples-to-apples comparison.

"But it was hot when car A ran their lap"
"But the driver of car B wasn't a professional"
"But car A was a prototype and not a finished product"
"But......."

I just simply made the statement that one car was measurably faster than the other.

[AJL13]

Honestly, I'd just like to see a GT2 RS come over stateside to snap off a 2:34-ish lap at VIR just to show how trivial the ZR1/GT comparison is.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by AJL13

Gonna have to disagree with you there; Although the ZL1 1LE is amazing for what it is, it was 7 seconds slower around VIR than the GT. Or another way of looking at it, about 1 3/4 seconds slower per mile of racetrack. That's pretty significant. Again, the ZL1 1LE is amazing, but it is not in the same class as the GT, speed-wise. You'd have to be looking through some very bowtie-colored glasses to convince yourself otherwise.

Well, let's start with the fact that one car cost roughly 8-9 times more than the other, but also weighs less by about 500lbs...or roughly 2.5 normal sized humans....

And that's despite the fact that the time for the ZL1 1LE is done by a magazine editor, not a pro driver/racer.

Originally Posted by ninetres

You’re comparing a lap driven in the dry winter by a decorated career race car driver, who currently drives a GT for Ford’s factory race team......to a lap driven by a f*cking magazine editor (ZL1 1LE lap, in damp weather during hot summer).

Not exactly apples to apples. At all.

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Actually it was only 2.7 sec slower with same lighting lap driver. It was a pro race driver that got it to 7 sec. put a pro driver in the zl1 1le and the gap would close again. It will still be behind, just not 7 sec.

Exactly! Look, different days are going to generate different results either way....but damn, a pro driver only went 7 seconds faster than an amateur in the ZL1 1LE....not really something I'd brag about..it's like beating someone who's never drag raced by half a second..

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by AJL13

Honestly, I'd just like to see a GT2 RS come over stateside to snap off a 2:34-ish lap at VIR just to show how trivial the ZR1/GT comparison is.

LOL! Why the hell does that car matter? Another 300k car that you want to compare to the ZR1?

Just sad really..

[R.C. Collins]

I just read the first page of a similar thread on M6G. Here's how one of their members (name withheld) summed up the GT PP1 vs. SS 1LE debate. You'll read the same tired excuses why the Camaro won but the Mustang is better.


"I honestly couldn't care less. The 1LE is a great performing package, and we've known that for a while now. The problem is that the rest of the car is garbage. The interior design sucks and the visibility is worse. Who thought it was a good idea to have the AC vents blasting on your right hand?!? Not that I care about trunk space and all that, but have you seen the pathetic trunk opening on the Camaro? You'd be hard pressed to put a laptop through the opening. It's honestly laughable. There's a reason why the Mustang is killing the Camaro in the sales department, despite being the lesser performing car--it's simply a better car in virtually every other aspect. Stuff like trunk access and visibility matters to a LOT of people.

I also prefer the way the Mustang drives. While I can't speak for the 18 (I have a 15), the gearing in the cars is night and day. The LT1 is a great engine and has a ton of torque, but that makes it boring to drive on the street, IMO. You can honestly drive the car in 3rd gear and never have to shift. I prefer to rev up through the gears and rev-match down shifts and all that. To me, it makes the car more fun and engaging to drive. Other people are after pure numbers, and that's okay too. They can buy the 1LE.

Having a slower car from the factory just means you get to have more fun modding the car anyway!"

[hotlap]

[oldman]

Originally Posted by R.C. Collins

I just read the first page of a similar thread on M6G. Here's how one of their members (name withheld) summed up the GT PP1 vs. SS 1LE debate. You'll read the same tired excuses why the Camaro won but the Mustang is better.


"I honestly couldn't care less. The 1LE is a great performing package, and we've known that for a while now. The problem is that the rest of the car is garbage. The interior design sucks and the visibility is worse. Who thought it was a good idea to have the AC vents blasting on your right hand?!? Not that I care about trunk space and all that, but have you seen the pathetic trunk opening on the Camaro? You'd be hard pressed to put a laptop through the opening. It's honestly laughable. There's a reason why the Mustang is killing the Camaro in the sales department, despite being the lesser performing car--it's simply a better car in virtually every other aspect. Stuff like trunk access and visibility matters to a LOT of people.

I also prefer the way the Mustang drives. While I can't speak for the 18 (I have a 15), the gearing in the cars is night and day. The LT1 is a great engine and has a ton of torque, but that makes it boring to drive on the street, IMO. You can honestly drive the car in 3rd gear and never have to shift. I prefer to rev up through the gears and rev-match down shifts and all that. To me, it makes the car more fun and engaging to drive. Other people are after pure numbers, and that's okay too. They can buy the 1LE.

Having a slower car from the factory just means you get to have more fun modding the car anyway!"

Date ugly women... less stress = mustang owners

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by R.C. Collins

I also prefer the way the Mustang drives. While I can't speak for the 18 (I have a 15), the gearing in the cars is night and day. The LT1 is a great engine and has a ton of torque, but that makes it boring to drive on the street, IMO. You can honestly drive the car in 3rd gear and never have to shift.

Well, that is kind of the point, you don't have to shift, but you can shift. I do shift because it makes all kinds of awesome intimidating noises when I do I like having the option of skipping gears all over the place due to the torque, but I also like rowing through the gears and making awesome engine noises.

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by R.C. Collins

I just read the first page of a similar thread on M6G. Here's how one of their members (name withheld) summed up the GT PP1 vs. SS 1LE debate. You'll read the same tired excuses why the Camaro won but the Mustang is better.


"I honestly couldn't care less. The 1LE is a great performing package, and we've known that for a while now. The problem is that the rest of the car is garbage. The interior design sucks and the visibility is worse. Who thought it was a good idea to have the AC vents blasting on your right hand?!? Not that I care about trunk space and all that, but have you seen the pathetic trunk opening on the Camaro? You'd be hard pressed to put a laptop through the opening. It's honestly laughable. There's a reason why the Mustang is killing the Camaro in the sales department, despite being the lesser performing car--it's simply a better car in virtually every other aspect. Stuff like trunk access and visibility matters to a LOT of people.

I also prefer the way the Mustang drives. While I can't speak for the 18 (I have a 15), the gearing in the cars is night and day. The LT1 is a great engine and has a ton of torque, but that makes it boring to drive on the street, IMO. You can honestly drive the car in 3rd gear and never have to shift. I prefer to rev up through the gears and rev-match down shifts and all that. To me, it makes the car more fun and engaging to drive. Other people are after pure numbers, and that's okay too. They can buy the 1LE.

Having a slower car from the factory just means you get to have more fun modding the car anyway!"

Well, he started with the same old boring pathetic attempt at bashing we've heard before. Time for some new material.

The funniest part though, is his rant about the LT1 not being fun because it has too much torque. What will they come up with next?