[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

What I don't understand is if the 6th Gen Camaro is such an engineering success, has all the performance standards, is such a performance bargain, wins the publication shootouts, but yet still doesn't sell. People don't want it.

January Sales:

Mustang 4732
Camaro 2867
Challenger 3405

How many of Mustangs sales are to Hertz?

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

In January of 2010, when the economy was in free-fall and people were losing their asses left, right and center..the 5th Gen sold 5,371 cars.

Flash forward to 2018, when the economy is arguably worlds better and people have more cash..and the 6th Gen Camaro, which is arguably a much better car in every metric (except livability and daily usefulness) ..can only manage 53% of that.

Why?

It got more expensive and doesn't look drastically different from the 5th gen.

[oldman]

Easy, gen X did not grow up with muscle cars and Smokey and the Bandit, so they buy things like Foresters and RAV 4s. Babyboomers like myself are down sizing, we don't have the garage space, too old and fat to get into the car and now I'd probably spend my time and money on this:
https://revologycars.com/car/1966-mu...t-22-fastback/

Also the truth be told, much of the fun has gone out of the Muscle car. In the "old days" factory performace was only so much, no way affordable factory cars (not COPO) was going to beat a purple shaft cam, headers, Holley 4 bbl on an Edelbrock manifold. You wanted fast, pretty much you had to do it yourself. Now it is a wallet warrior thing. Big deal, at least to me. 3/4 of the fun was learning about how the parts work and building it.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

In January of 2010, when the economy was in free-fall and people were losing their asses left, right and center..the 5th Gen sold 5,371 cars.

Flash forward to 2018, when the economy is arguably worlds better and people have more cash..and the 6th Gen Camaro, which is arguably a much better car in every metric (except livability and daily usefulness) ..can only manage 53% of that.

Why?

The Camaro was brand new and just released, and the new car doesn't look much different then the 5th Gen.

[Godfatha]

Originally Posted by newmoon

What I don't understand is if the 6th Gen Camaro is such an engineering success, has all the performance standards, is such a performance bargain, wins the publication shootouts, but yet still doesn't sell. People don't want it.

January Sales:

Mustang 4732
Camaro 2867
Challenger 3405

So? Prius outsells all of them. Are you going to argue it's a better car?

In the end, who cares? I see a ton of Mustangs on the road. That makes it a less special car to me, just another Mustang. I get a ton of compliments on my Camaro.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

In January of 2010, when the economy was in free-fall and people were losing their asses left, right and center..the 5th Gen sold 5,371 cars.

Flash forward to 2018, when the economy is arguably worlds better and people have more cash..and the 6th Gen Camaro, which is arguably a much better car in every metric (except livability and daily usefulness) ..can only manage 53% of that.

Why?

Lets throw Decembers numbers into the conversation as well.

Mustang 7714
Camaro 3802
Challenger 4508

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Godfatha

So? Prius outsells all of them. Are you going to argue it's a better car?

In the end, who cares? I see a ton of Mustangs on the road. That makes it a less special car to me, just another Mustang. I get a ton of compliments on my Camaro.

2009 called, they want their post back.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Lets throw Decembers numbers into the conversation as well.

Mustang 7714
Camaro 3802
Challenger 4508

You're right. You totally convinced me. The Mustang is such a better car. I'll head down to Hertz Auto Sales right now today and get a 17 GT PP for 24k. Thanks for helping me see the light.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

2009 called, they want their post back.

Its amazing that even the now 9-yro Challenger is even kicking the Camaro's tail. We can assume it is not the performance/price holding the Camaro back, is it the exterior looks and poor interior?

Maybe more JD Powers commercials is what it needs to get back in the race

[GotSSmoked]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

In January of 2010, when the economy was in free-fall and people were losing their asses left, right and center..the 5th Gen sold 5,371 cars.

Flash forward to 2018, when the economy is arguably worlds better and people have more cash..and the 6th Gen Camaro, which is arguably a much better car in every metric (except livability and daily usefulness) ..can only manage 53% of that.

Why?

Ive done some reading in this thread here and there and I must say, very entertaining. I saw some guys said 2 months ago that the camaros sales lead over the mustang were here to stay and a new mustang refresh wouldnt change that....Well it did, big time.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Its amazing that even the now 9-yro Challenger is even kicking the Camaro's tail. We can assume it is not the performance/price holding the Camaro back, is it the exterior looks and poor interior?

Maybe more JD Powers commercials is what it needs to get back in the race

The Challenger is much more set up for all season, especially there all wheel drive model. There are many in the Challenger family.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Its amazing that even the now 9-yro Challenger is even kicking the Camaro's tail. We can assume it is not the performance/price holding the Camaro back, is it the exterior looks and poor interior?

Maybe more JD Powers commercials is what it needs to get back in the race

Better advertising would help for sure.

I wasn’t aware the interior was crap. I think it’s very nice. I think it looks great too.

Combination of advertising, not a drastic styling change and also being the car is less liveable day to day compared to the competition. Less storage, worse visibility etc

It’s not a car fir everyone which is cool with me. I like being different.

It may not be the best car in the segment for the average person. But it’s still a great car. I love mine

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

How many of Mustangs sales are to Hertz?

At least half.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

None of those numbers are great, but what the Ford has over the Camaro in winter months is all season tires over summer only tires. The Camaro is more of sports car nice weather car, while the Mustang is more set up for all year driving. Hopefully GM will change this for 2019

Then you have dipshits like SubaruWRXFan who is nut hugging Mustang owner preaching to his thousands of subscribers. I put him on blast tho. He's going to spend $60k on a bullitt. smh. When he could upgrade to the next 3 levels and get a Zl1. But, he's blinded by his fanboyism of the Mustang to see where the true performance car lies. And that is in the Chevy line up.