[oldman]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

You're not getting sub 4 seconds with the M6 in the mustang...no way no how.

For those that doub't the quality of the 1LE's goodyears...

"As for burnouts, the orange Ford literally, figuratively, and ever other way smoked the Chevy. In a way, this is actually good news for the 1LE. Here’s why: The Camaro can do about one, maybe two decent burnouts, and then the Goodyears get hot to the point where they “grip up,” to steal a term from Randy Pobst. It’s enough grip that 455 lb-ft of twisting force has trouble breaking ’em loose. This is slightly surprising."

I've tried both the OEM runflats, some sort of Yokos, and now a PS4, IMO the PS4 is by far the best tire, say 500 to 1000 blast through the gears over all three sets and 14K miles.

[kttxz06]

For the record, the quickest time we’ve ever seen around the figure eight is 22.2 seconds, put down by both the Porsche 918 Spyder and the Lamborghini Huracán Performante. Meaning the Camaro 1LE is within spitting distance. When I asked our handling guru Kim Reynolds what he thought about the two cars after lapping them, he looked first to the Camaro then disparagingly glanced at the Mustang and said, “There’s about 4,000 years of evolution separating the two.”

This is all you need to know about the comparison summed up in one quote.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by newmoon

They will be very late to the Party agreed, but there is excitement coming. The present GT will run with the SS, the PP2 should run with the 1LE, the Bullitt should be faster than both the SS and GT, and the 500 is coming as well, and may take it to the Hellcat and ZL1. Not exactly a bleak outlook.

Eh, the standard SS is faster than the 1LE in the 1/4, so no, the Bullitt wont be faster than the SS.

However, it will be more of a driver's race, provided you don't go up against an A8 SS...

[SDG23]

Is the PP2 going to give enough to the Mutang to overcome a 3.3 second difference? I'm not saying no but it's going to have to work hard to get it but let's just say I have my doubts.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by SDG23

Is the PP2 going to give enough to the Mutang to overcome a 3.3 second difference? I'm not saying no but it's going to have to work hard to get it but let's just say I have my doubts.

Yeah, I think that is the overall view at this time. Is it possible, as we know what Ford did with the GT350, but this is a GT and the gap of 3.3 is insanely huge!

Going to be tough, and IF it does match the 1LE, it will be a one lap wonder until limp mode kicks in. Sad!

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by SDG23

Is the PP2 going to give enough to the Mutang to overcome a 3.3 second difference? I'm not saying no but it's going to have to work hard to get it but let's just say I have my doubts.

It's like I said earlier on the other forum . . . for this MT comparison Ford sent their JV team (PP1) to the bowl.


Norm

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

What happened to Furd’s claim that the 2018 can do “sub 4 seconds zero to sixty” that they put in their brochure?

I guess they forgot the asterisk...



*kmh not mph.

Originally Posted by SDG23

Is the PP2 going to give enough to the Mutang to overcome a 3.3 second difference? I'm not saying no but it's going to have to work hard to get it but let's just say I have my doubts.

"The Performance Pack Level 2, according to Ford’s engineers, has helped make the latest Mustang GT the most neutral pony car from the current generation and one hell of a riot to drive. Performance wise, the new package has 40 percent more grip than the regular GT Performance Package and can pull 1.05 gs on a skidpad. That last figure is a large improvement over the regular pack’s 0.97 gs. Around Grattan Raceway, which is located in Belding, Michigan, Ford’s engineers claim the grippier pack is capable of slicing 3.5 seconds off of a Mustang with the GT Performance Pack’s time."

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...e-pack-level-2

[Quinten_33]

The PP2 comes with those expensive and short-lived Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, and the SS1LE will still have more grip! The car is going to be a mess. The suspension will want to slide and the tires will want to hug the track, and it’ll end up body rolling around the corner. They add front downforce and forget the rear, which will make it even worse. “PP2 is not a direct competitor to the 1LE” says Ford. Then what is it? I just don’t understand...

The 2019 SS was spied testing alongside a GT350, which makes me think that there’s something new coming that the 2018 didn’t offer. Perhaps an update the the 1LE, or a 2LE. Imagine an SS 2LE for around $50,000 that adds Cup 3 R tires, A weight reduction, and DSSV to the SS 1LE That car would actually outrun the 350R by two seconds

[Quinten_33]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

"The Performance Pack Level 2, according to Ford’s engineers, has helped make the latest Mustang GT the most neutral pony car from the current generation and one hell of a riot to drive. Performance wise, the new package has 40 percent more grip than the regular GT Performance Package and can pull 1.05 gs on a skidpad. That last figure is a large improvement over the regular pack’s 0.97 gs. Around Grattan Raceway, which is located in Belding, Michigan, Ford’s engineers claim the grippier pack is capable of slicing 3.5 seconds off of a Mustang with the GT Performance Pack’s time."

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...e-pack-level-2

1.05G is crazy... Ford is stepping on their own heels between the PP2 and GT350. I think they’d be better off making a GT350 with the Coyote V8 and Calling it a Boss or Mach 1.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Quinten_33

“PP2 is not a direct competitor to the 1LE” says Ford. Then what is it? I just don’t understand...

They've been using that excuse for every loss since the 6th Gen Camaro showed up.

Originally Posted by Quinten_33

1.05G is crazy... Ford is stepping on their own heels between the PP2 and GT350. I think they’d be better off making a GT350 with the Coyote V8 and Calling it a Boss or Mach 1.

If anything the sucky GT350 is the reason the GT also sucks soo badly. Ford was dumb enough to target the outgoing 5th Gen Camaros when they built the GT350. Meanwhile GM swung for the fences and took the 6th Gen far past the limits of the 5th Gen. So Ford got stuck with the lackluster GT350 and the GT350R who's only credit was that they could beat the 5th Gen ZL1 and 5th Gen Z28 for one year which was also their final year for that Gen. GM then fired a bazooka at the Mustang, well 4 bazookas, in the way of 6th gen firepower. And basically since the 6th Gen SS 1LE was on the heels of the GT350R Ford couldn't build the GT to beat the 1LE because it would likewise beat or tie the GT350R for much less money which would look stupid as hell. So now that the GT350 is about to be gone they can build the GT to actually compete.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

They've been using that excuse for every loss since the 6th Gen Camaro showed up.



If anything the sucky GT350 is the reason the GT also sucks soo badly. Ford was dumb enough to target the outgoing 5th Gen Camaros when they built the GT350. Meanwhile GM swung for the fences and took the 6th Gen far past the limits of the 5th Gen. So Ford got stuck with the lackluster GT350 and the GT350R who's only credit was that they could beat the 5th Gen ZL1 and 5th Gen Z28 for one year which was also their final year for that Gen. GM then fired a bazooka at the Mustang, well 4 bazookas, in the way of 6th gen firepower. And basically since the 6th Gen SS 1LE was on the heels of the GT350R Ford couldn't build the GT to beat the 1LE because it would likewise beat or tie the GT350R for much less money which would look stupid as hell. So now that the GT350 is about to be gone they can build the GT to actually compete.

Exactly and now I'm starting to think the 500 is gonna be a complete fkn flop which will suck, but oh well. We'll wait and see. I'm starting to think the 500 will run between the zl1 and zl1 1le. As an overall car, I'm not so sure now. If the 1LE does this much damage to the GT, good lord.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Exactly and now I'm starting to think the 500 is gonna be a complete fkn flop which will suck, but oh well. We'll wait and see. I'm starting to think the 500 will run between the zl1 and zl1 1le. As an overall car, I'm not so sure now. If the 1LE does this much damage to the GT, good lord.

The thing with Ford is that the do put money into their top tier cars. The GT is the bottom feeder so they don't do much for it. The GT350 was desiged to take on the 5th Gen Zs and it did...and beat them. So if they target the standard ZL1 with the GT500 then I'm sure it'll at the very least match it. They have GT350R tech, PP2 tech, DFI, and 2 years of getting their ass kicked. They should be able to put up a decent fight by now. I would be very surprised if the GT500 doesn't hack it. But then again...

[Gunkk]

I fully expect the 500 to be the fastest in the quarter stock vs stock to the Z. I expect a mid-high 10s car.

[BlaqWhole]

If it comes with the A10 then I'll say high 10s. If they give it only the M6 trans then I'll say low 11s.