[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Holy hell do you make it tough to interpret your sentence structure. I hope you don’t have to write anything professionally.

Here is the deal, the A10 mustang will always be faster than the M6 period.

Motortrend ran the M6 mustang VS M6 Camaro and the Camaro came out ahead by 0.1. You’re smoking crack if you think the A10 will only be 0.1 quicker than the M6.

As for Edmunds runs, they are what they are. It seems to me they were unable to tap the full potential of the mustang. The numerous ¼ mile runs thus far show it is far more capable. Once motortrend or C&D test it out, I think we will have a much better idea.

The real question is, when the come out with much better times for the A10 that once again come close or match the A8 camaro will you concede that you were wrong? My bet is you won’t, and you will instead always refer to the Edmunds run to point out the A10’s mustangs shortcomings. Sound about right?



Of course it is. You don’t trust any non-magazine times EXCEPT those that fit your narrative.

You:
Evan Smiths 11.8…..He cheated! He removed the swaybar!
Lunds 12.0 run….It’s not a magazine time! It can’t be trusted!
LMR 12.0 run….It’s an aftermarket company! They cheated! Only magazine times count!
Several 12.0 or 12.1 Youtube runs….Youtube can’t be trusted! They cheated!

And then we come to Lethal’s runs who have consistently been slower than anyone else. They too are an aftermarket parts company…and they too post their videos on youtube.

You:
I trust this 100% This is exactly as I told everyone!

Man are you predictable. I’m just waiting for the next youtube video of some moron in a new MY18 that runs a 13.5 because he has no clue how to driver.

Any links to the many 12-12.1 times on YouTube? Just see the ones from companies we are all talking about.

[shaffe]

So is nitrous still not forced injection or what lol

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

I think you need to stop listening to what idiots from youtube are saying (you know, like the people that buy a car solely based on weather it's a Ford or Chevy) and start listening to the real, non-blind mustang fanbase. There are bad apples everywhere.

Wasn't the Edmunds car almost the same as Lund's? A10 3.15 gears? If so, I'm not sure that 30mm more tire with 3.55 will make much difference with the PP1 where the A10 is concerned.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Any links to the many 12-12.1 times on YouTube? Just see the ones from companies we are all talking about.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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Listen you need to understand this from their point. Most in here claimed the GT would be a 12:70s car, and could never come close to the SS with its high revving torqueless 5.0. The 6th Gen would remain the king of the 1/4.

You are usually somewhat balanced, but this is an outright false claim. I won't go through this entire thread, but I highly doubt that "Most" of us would think a GT (since there are at least 5 combos, A10, M6, either with PP1, well now the bullet) would be 12.7. I think most of us felt that especially the 10 speed auto with gears and tires of the PP1 would be faster and quicker than the comparable A8 LT1. That the other side of the spectrum would hold a M6 GT with NO PP1 would be in the mid 12s. So basically few to none here actually claim that the gaggle of GTs (5 combos) would be a 12.70 as an aggregate.

You might want to rethink your post, as it indefensible.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by oldman

You are usually somewhat balanced, but this is an outright false claim. I won't go through this entire thread, but I highly doubt that "Most" of us would think a GT (since there are at least 5 combos, A10, M6, either with PP1, well now the bullet) would be 12.7. I think most of us felt that especially the 10 speed auto with gears and tires of the PP1 would be faster and quicker than the comparable A8 LT1. That the other side of the spectrum would hold a M6 GT with NO PP1 would be in the mid 12s. So basically few to none here actually claim that the gaggle of GTs (5 combos) would be a 12.70 as an aggregate.

You might want to rethink your post, as it indefensible.

Actually I was one of the guys expecting 12.6-12.7s. I posted that opinion in this thread a few times. And thus far, 3 official tests and 3 12.6s.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

I think you need to stop listening to what idiots from youtube are saying (you know, like the people that buy a car solely based on weather it's a Ford or Chevy) and start listening to the real, non-blind mustang fanbase. There are bad apples everywhere.

Haha, idiots are everywhere. It's the majority that I speak of. That's how the Mustang camp truly feels. It's on the forums, on YouTube, on FB. Everywhere. You have to admit it. Once Lund came out with that run, everyone.......well, let me rephrase it..........most of the Mustang crowd came truly thought it's a 11 sec out the box, off the showroom floor car. Then the ZL1 chatter started happening. Then I was like, oh lord. Please stop.

U and I agree so. It's a drivers race. I just like messing with ya'll.

I haven't found not ONE............not ONE Camaro owner over on the GTR and McLaren forums claiming a Zl1 will run down a GTR or a 570s or 720s because of one 10.9 run. Even tho, those are the outliers for the Zl1. I know, cus I'm on those forums.

Anyhow, I digress. Have a great day everyone. It's finally decent weather. Gonna get a game of golf in.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

That’s a old video and done at Atco probably the fastest track out there. I’m looking for the many other ones.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Haha, idiots are everywhere. It's the majority that I speak of. That's how the Mustang camp truly feels. It's on the forums, on YouTube, on FB. Everywhere. You have to admit it. Once Lund came out with that run, everyone.......well, let me rephrase it..........most of the Mustang crowd came truly thought it's a 11 sec out the box, off the showroom floor car. Then the ZL1 chatter started happening. Then I was like, oh lord. Please stop.

U and I agree so. It's a drivers race. I just like messing with ya'll.

I haven't found not ONE............not ONE Camaro owner over on the GTR and McLaren forums claiming a Zl1 will run down a GTR or a 570s or 720s because of one 10.9 run. Even tho, those are the outliers for the Zl1. I know, cus I'm on those forums.

Anyhow, I digress. Have a great day everyone. It's finally decent weather. Gonna get a game of golf in.

Enjoy…watch out putting those drivers in your tiny tiny trunk!

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

That’s a old video and done at Atco probably the fastest track out there. I’m looking for the many other ones.

There aren’t many yet available (showing slow or fast times) period. With a late fall/winter introduction people are still breaking in new cars and waiting for tracks to open come spring. Some people post on youtube, and some on closed facebook pages. But regardless, right now it’s a waiting game.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Haha, man you sound like your ass is chapped...and totally naive. You really are delusional.

Ford produces a base GT with narrow all season tires NOT to compete with the SS, but because they are cheaper and they know a large percentage of buyers do not want more expensive, summer only tires as these are daily drivers across all parts of the country. Ford knows the SS has a tire advantage, and they don't care...and for some reason that eats you up.

Likewise, they produce the PP1 not to compete with the 1LE, but to give buyers something that is a little more track ready, with summer tires and a few more track oriented goodies without making an all out track performer. Once again, Ford already knew how the 1LE performed...and if they wanted to produce a car that competed with it, they would have. And again, for whatever reason this eats you up.

Lastly, the PP2 is produced with a completed upgraded and tuned suspension with track ready tires. This is absolutely Fords attempt to match the 1LE. This is blatantly obvious...how anyone here or in any other forum can argue otherwise is delusional. Once again, it is claimed the PP2 is a good 3.5 seconds faster than the PP1 around Grattan raceway. This should make it very close in performance to the 1LE.

Will it beat it, I really don't care...as I will never own either. But for anyone to argue that the PP1 was made to compete with the 1LE is out of their mind.

This has been Ford's story for a while like since the 60s. Slightly off topic, but less talk story, no fighting, my ideal car in the world is this:
https://revologycars.com/car/1966-shelby-gt350/

One thing I always liked about Chevy is it was affordable and the base components were able to go fast period. I could get performance out of ANY Chevy small block from the 283, the 307, the 305! all the way up to the LT1. Most 283, all trucks came with a steel crank, just about any head could be fitted with 2.02 intakes, the turbo 350 and turbo 400 trans were great.

Ford, the windsor was useless, please. Which was like 80% of the Ford V8. You had to look for a Cleveland, and even then most did not have steel cranks, same for the trans, the C6 was great the FMX and C4 were poor especially in terms of street longevity. I took time and a wallet to get competitive parts that could be had from my ma's 350 2bbl Chevy wagon.

Yep the Ford 4v 351C vs an LT1 was a great matchup, but it was rare at the street or strip. Most of the time it was a Chevy that started out as a 350 2bbl that would absolutely destroy a 302 windsor NO MATTER how much money you threw into the 302, plus the lack of steel crank and 2 bolt mains led to a weak block.

Let's take the 4th gen the Cobra was barely competitive to the LT1 much less the LS1, how many Cobra were made? While EVERY z/28 came with the same LT1 or LS1. EVERY for Chevy vs FEW for Ford.

2018, Every SS comes with an LT1, cooling, summer tires, for Ford gotta order the PP1, how many will that be as a percentile?

To my mind, Chevy has always provided the basic go fast tools day one. Ford you need the right combo and / or deep pockets. I like Ford's products, love the new Shelby 5.2, but basic price structure tells me and many others buy the Chevy, as I get all the basic goodies day one.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by oldman

This has been Ford's story for a while like since the 60s. Slightly off topic, but less talk story, no fighting, my ideal car in the world is this:
https://revologycars.com/car/1966-shelby-gt350/

One thing I always liked about Chevy is it was affordable and the base components were able to go fast period. I could get performance out of ANY Chevy small block from the 283, the 307, the 305! all the way up to the LT1. Most 283, all trucks came with a steel crank, just about any head could be fitted with 2.02 intakes, the turbo 350 and turbo 400 trans were great.

Ford, the windsor was useless, please. Which was like 80% of the Ford V8. You had to look for a Cleveland, and even then most did not have steel cranks, same for the trans, the C6 was great the FMX and C4 were poor especially in terms of street longevity. I took time and a wallet to get competitive parts that could be had from my ma's 350 2bbl Chevy wagon.

Yep the Ford 4v 351C vs an LT1 was a great matchup, but it was rare at the street or strip. Most of the time it was a Chevy that started out as a 350 2bbl that would absolutely destroy a 302 windsor NO MATTER how much money you threw into the 302, plus the lack of steel crank and 2 bolt mains led to a weak block.

Let's take the 4th gen the Cobra was barely competitive to the LT1 much less the LS1, how many Cobra were made? While EVERY z/28 came with the same LT1 or LS1. EVERY for Chevy vs FEW for Ford.

2018, Every SS comes with an LT1, cooling, summer tires, for Ford gotta order the PP1, how many will that be as a percentile?

To my mind, Chevy has always provided the basic go fast tools day one. Ford you need the right combo and / or deep pockets. I like Ford's products, love the new Shelby 5.2, but basic price structure tells me and many others buy the Chevy, as I get all the basic goodies day one.

It kind of makes you think, with all of the extra coolers and other items….is chevy really making any more money on a camary vs Ford?

And you can blame Ford all you want, but 95% of people will never need those extra coolers or summer tires. Kudos to GM for including them in the base model, but it’s probably not the best business decision on their behalf.

In regards to the Windsor, it had its flaws….but was wicked potent and damn near unstoppable in the foxbody mustang.

[Deakins]

Well my 2SS has used its extra coolers for 30 plus hours already on the track...I guess outside of the 350's there's a reason I have only seen 1 GT out on track...after 1 quick in duration and slow in pace session he bolted with ate up all season tires. He looked pretty disappointed that his brand new GT was getting killed by the RENTAL gen6 SS Camaro that a guy had brought that day...

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I don't bother with "in red". I didn't read any of what you wrote "in red". Either quote it so I can quote back or don't bother and be ignored.

thats an awful long response for something you claim to be ignoring, but I understand why you would pretend like you didn’t read it.

Originally Posted by metros11

I've been gone for a couple of days, what did I miss?


Huh? Pretty much every major publication uses YouTube to publish video content. Are you referring specifically to YouTube 'professionals'?


I heard about the visibility issues before I test drove the car. I found it to be a non-factor... for me. The side windows are long enough for me to look back at blind spots, the a-pillars are thinner than my Volt's, the rear window is only good for a peak (which is all you would really do anyways). The biggest drawbacks would be backing up (if the car didn't come with a backup camera) and the rear b-c pillars.



They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and this one does all the talking. I cross shopped the Mustang vs the Camaro. I tend to agree with your opinion. In the Mustang you sit as if you would in almost any other car, higher, more upright, which isn't necessarily bad. In the Camaro, the seating position is lower, and gives it more of a sport car feel. And to your point, part of the reason I liked the Camaro, is because of the cockpit. I've even commented to my wife that I feel like I'm sitting in a space ship when I'm in the Camaro. However, that is specifically what I was looking for. Most people will find the Mustang more livable because it's easier to get in and out of, and has somewhat more space. I just valued the performance metrics more in my search, others may not.

That's understandable. Then what are you doing on a Camaro forum?

talking cars in a Vs. forum.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Actually I was one of the guys expecting 12.6-12.7s. I posted that opinion in this thread a few times. And thus far, 3 official tests and 3 12.6s.

OK, but he said "most". A few maybe and as stated there is at least 5 "types" of GTs.