[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

The very first published run by LMR ran a 12.0x with 3-4 runs before they were rained out. 11.8 is not that far off considering it was in better air with a better driver.

As for the mustang, they all come from Michigan. They all have Michigan manufacturer plates. Auto manufacturers don’t have press cars available in every state for every publication. Had ford been given enough notice they likely would have shipped the car to Florida. This isn’t any different than how any other publication obtains their test vehicles.

LMR and Lund both ran 12:00s, Hot Rod runs 11:80s, Steeda runs 12:20s on a GT equipped with 245 series tires. They all must have lied, all cheated. The GT simply can't be faster than the SS, it isn't allowed. Only private owner times for the SS are allowed.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Performance Pack car with 301a package and 3.55 gears.. on a clean track.


Evan's car was a 3.55 car that had the 401a package, Safe & Smart package, Enhanced Security, Active Exhaust, Shaker Pro Audio System, GT Performance Pack and MagneRide which made the car even heavier than LMR's car. On top of all that.... no one from any publication has replicated that effort...

Not a single one...

By no publication, you mean one...as only Edmonds has tested an A10.

None are expecting motortend to plop down an 11.8 as they don’t test at the strip. But come on now, yall are starting to sound like conspiracy theoreists.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by newmoon

LMR and Lund both ran 12:00s, Hot Rod runs 11:80s, Steeda runs 12:20s on a GT equipped with 245 series tires. They all must have lied, all cheated. The GT simply can't be faster than the SS, it isn't allowed. Only private owner times for the SS are allowed.

All runs on closed, prepped tracks with all day to dial it in. The same times would be ripped off on the 3 yr old platform that is the SS. We can go round and round if you'd like. I'll give you the credit on the tire tho. To do it on a 245 is impressive.

[SpeedIsLife]

I don't get the obsession that this website has with branding runs as being on a closed track,etc, rentals, etc.

At my local track (Woodburn, Oregon) on an average Friday Night Drags/open track event they prep the track very well and you can get 5-6 runs in with at least 30 minutes of cooldown between each run. There's no pressure, you're not bracket racing or in for cash..you're just running test and tunes or grudge races.

All this noise about closed tracks, pro drivers, etc..it's bullshit. It's just noise to distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda Civics with Spoon Engines. And on top of that he just went into Harry's and ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motek System Exhaust.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I don't get the obsession that this website has with branding runs as being on a closed track,etc, rentals, etc.

At my local track (Woodburn, Oregon) on an average Friday Night Drags/open track event they prep the track very well and you can get 5-6 runs in with at least 30 minutes of cooldown between each run. There's no pressure, you're not bracket racing or in for cash..you're just running test and tunes or grudge races.

All this noise about closed tracks, pro drivers, etc..it's bullshit. It's just noise to distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda Civics with Spoon Engines. And on top of that he just went into Harry's and ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motek System Exhaust.

hahahahahahahhaha

Thanks speed that was great

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I don't get the obsession that this website has with branding runs as being on a closed track,etc, rentals, etc.

At my local track (Woodburn, Oregon) on an average Friday Night Drags/open track event they prep the track very well and you can get 5-6 runs in with at least 30 minutes of cooldown between each run. There's no pressure, you're not bracket racing or in for cash..you're just running test and tunes or grudge races.

All this noise about closed tracks, pro drivers, etc..it's bullshit. It's just noise to distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda Civics with Spoon Engines. And on top of that he just went into Harry's and ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motek System Exhaust.

haha

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

All runs on closed, prepped tracks with all day to dial it in. The same times would be ripped off on the 3 yr old platform that is the SS. We can go round and round if you'd like. I'll give you the credit on the tire tho. To do it on a 245 is impressive.

+1 on all the above, especially the 245 tire.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I don't get the obsession that this website has with branding runs as being on a closed track,etc, rentals, etc.

Because people are walking around claiming the car is X, when it's really Y. Look, in a freaking perfect scenario setup, both cars are 11 second cars...but the reality is, MOST people will never have a perfect setup. Even identical cars on the same production line will not run identical times down the track, it's been proven time and time again...

So yeah, when someone makes every effort to "game" the system so to speak....it annoys the shit out of us....and I'd say that regardless of who was running the test.... its just like the Demon run....there is absolutely NO WAY a normal person is going to replicate those times...

[ULTRAZLS1]

Bill Murray would be proud of this thread

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Bill Murray would be proud of this thread

[FastCarFanBoy]

if 2 or 3 other cars have gone 12.00-12.1X how is an 11.85 so far removed that there had to be something suspect about the run?

never heard of that logic before now

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

if 2 or 3 other cars have gone 12.00-12.1X how is an 11.85 so far removed that there had to be something suspect about the run?

never heard of that logic before now

There are days when you can be really cool to chat with, and then today, you spout some complete moronic drivel.....

If I had 4 cars, and 3 of them go 12.1...and I have a 4th, that is running 11.8 consistently...and all are claimed to be "stock"...you wouldnt question that at all? Given that that specific car, was the heaviest of the group?

Meanwhile, 2 of those 3 cars that ran a 12.0-12.1 had drag radials or a tune.....and you still dont find that odd?

Look, I'm not saying that Evan cheated... I think Evan drove the shit out of the car. However, you can't sit here and say that the situation itself doesn't look the slightest bit off....

If a bone stock 2018 SS ran an 11.7 tomorrow....with an A8....you guys would be questioning it to holy high heaven...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

You mean like when Evan Smith, a respected driver and writer for multiple well known magazines ran an 11.8 and you jumped on the (It’s modded! It’s gutted! It had no swaybar!) bandwagon?

I never jumped on any bandwagon. I was the first person on this forum to say that he removed the swaybar. That is an old Mustang trick. And for the record there were several YTers who also said the same thing. My gripe was that people like yourself tried to compare Evans run to the magazine times of the SS because it made the GT look good. I flat out told you that if you consider Evans run then you have to consider it in comparison to the Camaro runs on YT also in which case there were some in the 11.8 range. You didn't want to hear it. And what happened? The GT turned around and did exactly what I said it would do much to your chagrin.

And I don't GAF about Evans. I don't know him. I never heard of him before he did the 18 GT runs. And I don't care how respected he is in Mustang world or what he accomplished. It means nothing to me.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

And motortrend JUST DID A COMPARISON that you still continue to ignore where the GT tested 0.1 seconds slower than the SS. And yet there you are, claiming ¼ mile numbers from different days, drivers and even test paramaters (Does Edmunds even correct their numbers like motortrend or car and driver?). As for the A10, it has yet to be tested by a reputable magazine in a head to head with the A8 camaro. It has shown that it is well capable of similar times at the dragstrip (which you continue to dismiss)…because only camaro hero runs are allowed on this forum.

WTF are you talking about? I just said that the GT was slower and that it did a 12.6. You're losing your marbles kid. I said that if you take the fastest SS run (12.3), then it is faster than the best GT run (12.5 if I remember) as both were officially tested. And again, you had no issues comparing modded GT runs on different days and at different tracks to our ZL1 fast list runs. So now all of a sudden when it doesn't suit you it isn't fair right? And similar times still means that the GT has lost in each and every comparison. Even if it does match the SS it still got it's ass handed to it on the track. And at the same price that means it is a huge failure. Same price, slower in the quarter, and much slower on a track. Congrats Ford. The only thing you managed to match the SS in is price.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

And yet, others have run 12.0X stock that you ignore. Hell, once spring hits and the fast lists starts filling up with 11.XX runs, you will still ignore it and claim that (like always) they can't be trusted.

I have only talked about official times. YT videos are nowhere near official. And you know it. And why the hell do you care if I ignore or acknowledge it? I don't give 2 shits about the Mustang.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

There are days when you can be really cool to chat with, and then today, you spout some complete moronic drivel.....

If I had 4 cars, and 3 of them go 12.1...and I have a 4th, that is running 11.8 consistently...and all are claimed to be "stock"...you wouldnt question that at all? Given that that specific car, was the heaviest of the group?

Meanwhile, 2 of those 3 cars that ran a 12.0-12.1 had drag radials or a tune.....and you still dont find that odd?

Look, I'm not saying that Evan cheated... I think Evan drove the shit out of the car. However, you can't sit here and say that the situation itself doesn't look the slightest bit off....

If a bone stock 2018 SS ran an 11.7 tomorrow....with an A8....you guys would be questioning it to holy high heaven...

moronic drivel? At least get your facts straight. Both LMR and Lund went 12.0x 100% stock, Ecobeast went 12.1x and Evan ran as many 11.9's as he did 11.8s


My car went 13.0@109.9 stock I guess that makes MT's 12.7@112 car a ringer and the guys that have gone mid 12's stock are liars.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you're talking crazy man...everyone on this forum takes the Tail of the Dragon to work every day and their driveways are a quarter mile. They are all car enthusiasts, but bone stock performance is all that matters.

Nice exaggeration. So I guess when we talk performance we should compare modded cars to modded cars right?

Originally Posted by newmoon

LMR and Lund both ran 12:00s, Hot Rod runs 11:80s, Steeda runs 12:20s on a GT equipped with 245 series tires. They all must have lied, all cheated. The GT simply can't be faster than the SS, it isn't allowed. Only private owner times for the SS are allowed.

Then why is it only doing 12.5 and 12.6 when officially tested? Answer that. Why are shops and tuners and pro independent guys getting low 12s and high 11s but then when it gets tested it does soo poorly in comparison? And why were 2 other shops only able to manage a 12.3 on DRs? Even if it did a 12.3 in the mag tests I could see maybe it doing a bit better. But from an alleged 11.8 to a 12.6? That is 8 tenths of a second among pro drivers and that type of variance is unheard of.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

By no publication, you mean one...as only Edmonds has tested an A10.

None are expecting motortend to plop down an 11.8 as they don’t test at the strip. But come on now, yall are starting to sound like conspiracy theoreists.

And you sound like someone who will drink whatever gets served up so long as it makes your precious GT look good. I have no problem calling bullshit on all these hero runs. Because that is exactly what they are.