[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

At least for the 2015MY, the take rate for the 5.0 was almost 40%. EB sold far more than the V6 which likely explains why the dropped the 6cyl.

Official S550 Production Figures
Keep in mind, this is for US cars only

2015
Total Produced (USA): 110,648
Total Manuals (All Engines): 21,797
Total Automatics (All Engines): 88,851

Total 5.0's: 43,862
Total Auto 5.0: 35,221
Total Manual 5.0: 8,641

Total Ecoboost: 39,264
Total Eco Manual: 7,735
Total Eco Auto: 31,529

Total V6: 27,522
Total V6 Auto: 22,100
Total V6 Manual: 5,422

Yep you just reinforced the point in what would be the strongest year for the V8, new model introduction. So the GT was outsold by 22K of the "lessor" cars. Now find MY16 or 17 data like that to compare.

For comparison, MY16 Camaro sales breakdown:
Non-V8 : 31,936
V8: 21,604

Now for MY17
Non-V8: 49,629
V8: 33,717

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=515520

A much closer split there than Mustang. Obviously more people buy Camaro V8 models than Mustang V8 models compared to the 4 or 6 cylinder options, but we aren't talking a major difference to begin with. You can draw your own conclusions.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Sales numbers again? Good grief...

When I am driving the winding back roads to/from my house, and my car is floating down the road like a stack of phone books on a waterbed, should I think of the sales numbers or something? I mean, how do sales numbers make the car drive better? Do I try to take comfort in knowing Ford sold more Mustangs than Chevy sold Camaros? How does that improve handling? If that's the case, shouldn't I be driving a Toyota Camry? You may be on to something, because even the Camry's body movements aren't that out of control...

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Because this:





You're getting the timeline confused, see above.

the timeline of nonsense?

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Yep you just reinforced the point in what would be the strongest year for the V8, new model introduction. So the GT was outsold by 22K of the "lessor" cars. Now find MY16 or 17 data like that to compare.

For comparison, MY16 Camaro sales breakdown:
Non-V8 : 31,936
V8: 21,604

Now for MY17
Non-V8: 49,629
V8: 33,717

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=515520

A much closer split there than Mustang. Obviously more people buy Camaro V8 models than Mustang V8 models compared to the 4 or 6 cylinder options, but we aren't talking a major difference to begin with. You can draw your own conclusions.

Honestly, with the first year likely having strong V6 lease sales...I would expect the take rate on the MY16 and MY17 to be higher. As high as the camaro split? Not a chance.

This is one reason why the mustang perennially sells better...it's an American Icon. It does appeal to a broader audience.

[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

the timeline of nonsense?

Care to pull up a H2H comparison where a car was crowned victor due to its superior sales numbers? Because I know that’s always the deciding factor when I’m in the market for a performance vehicle...

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Sales numbers again? Good grief...

When I am driving the winding back roads to/from my house, and my car is floating down the road like a stack of phone books on a waterbed, should I think of the sales numbers or something? I mean, how do sales numbers make the car drive better? Do I try to take comfort in knowing Ford sold more Mustangs than Chevy sold Camaros? How does that improve handling? If that's the case, shouldn't I be driving a Toyota Camry? You may be on to something, because even the Camry's body movements aren't that out of control...

Ive never driven the SS but I have driven the GT aggressively and it does not feel like that. That is known as hyperbole. Is it as planted as the SS unlikely as the SS can produce slightly better lap times , but the Mustang drives very nicely on back roads.

If you want to keep using that one description by Jonny as how the mustang feels thats fine...but stop defending the terrible visibility and other design negatives of the Camaro that everyone who has ever tested the car agrees upon as "people just need to learn to adjust the mirrors" and are nitpicking.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Honestly, with the first year likely having strong V6 lease sales...I would expect the take rate on the MY16 and MY17 to be higher. As high as the camaro split? Not a chance.

This is one reason why the mustang perennially sells better...it's an American Icon. It does appeal to a broader audience.

Right, b/c rental companies were loading V6s wholesale, which can't be left out of sells/popularity discussion.

Possibly, the V8 numbers increased for the Camaro in MY17..but that might be b/c of incentives too.

As for appeal, there's definitely something. But my whole point is arguing performance sells is completely contrary to the facts. If one's V8 is substantially better performance/cost wise, it might make the split closer like with the Camaro. But there are a lot of variables there too.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

Care to pull up a H2H comparison where a car was crowned victor due to its superior sales numbers? Because I know that’s always the deciding factor when I’m in the market for a performance vehicle...

yeah, It's called 2002.

It was the deciding factor for what performance car you bought in 2003-2009

[SpeedIsLife]

So now sales are a Mustang tactic? 2009-2014 disagree..if you give me time I'll pull up every single thread from Camaro5 where the Camaro was utterly clubbing the crap out of the Mustang despite the Mustang outperforming the Camaro in most situations for non-halo models.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

And yet again, BlaqWhole brought up the lightly modded GT vs stock ZL1 argument again.

But here we are, talking about the MY18GT that no one cares about…71 pages in a thread later.



Crazy, the S550 mustang continues to destroy the camaro in sales. It seems the public doesn’t seem to feel that “has a "mess" with the steering, a phonebook waterbed feel”. Crazy, right?

We will see now that they the same price. For 51 years the Mustang was cheap. Now it isnt.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I know you have the data to back that up so I'll wait while you go find it.

It's actually easy to find. Google.

68% of all Mustang buyers are male. 73% of all Camaro buyers are male. So, he was right. More women buy Mustangs. Now STFU.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I know you have the data to back that up so I'll wait while you go find it.

"Women rank the Jeep Wrangler as their top "dream car," while men opt for a Tesla Model S, according to a new survey of 2,000 American-based car owners.

The runner-up car for women is Mustang, while men go with Corvette."


https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...es/1025564001/


So not only do women prefer the Mustang, they dream about owning one too when men dream of a Corvette. Now are you going to say women care about the "performance" of the Mustang (and the offroad performance of a Jeep), or do they care about the "image" both portray?

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

Care to pull up a H2H comparison where a car was crowned victor due to its superior sales numbers? Because I know that’s always the deciding factor when I’m in the market for a performance vehicle...

not sales , but the Mustang won this H2H and performance #'s werent the reason.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Ive never driven the SS but I have driven the GT aggressively and it does not feel like that. That is known as hyperbole. Is it as planted as the SS unlikely as the SS can produce slightly better lap times , but the Mustang drives very nicely on back roads.

If you want to keep using that one description by Jonny as how the mustang feels thats fine...but stop defending the terrible visibility and other design negatives of the Camaro that everyone who has ever tested the car agrees upon as "people just need to learn to adjust the mirrors" and are nitpicking.

Would that be a buddies S550? Because your car is a 6 year old solid axle S197. If you haven't actually owned an S550 then I find it hard to take your experience as anything but hyperbole, hearsay, or trolling. And yes the waterbed feel is pretty accurate. That has been a major complaint for 4 model years now.