[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

All of that to deflect from the fact that the video shows a 2018 GT running ZL1 times with just a tune/fuel/tire.

So you remember it then. Good. An SS with those mods will definitely run "ZL1 times". And it wouldn't have to be a specific SS with specific options and specific modes and a specific trans on a specific day with a pro-driver on a rented track.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Are we comparing modded vehicles to stock vehicles because that is the only way you think the Mustang can win? Could the Mustang with a tune, tire, and a pro-driver beat a ZL1 with a tune, tire, and a pro-driver? Or is it only fair if the Mustang gets modded?

You're the one that brought it back up. I'll re-quote you once again as you seem to have forgotten.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Heck we had SSFriendly making bold claims that a GT with a tire and tune would beat ZL1s.

And again

Was that lund tune/tire (drag radial) combo quick enough to run with a stock ZL1?

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Well, I owned a 5th Gen which is supposed to be the worst between the 5th and 6th. I had no idea there was a visibility 'issue' until I went to M6G.

It is NOT an issue in ANY way if you know how to drive and set mirrors. PERIOD.

We will have to agree to disagree on that, I'll trust the head guy Al saying and I'm paraphrasing "We didn't address the poor visibility from the 5th gen because people wanted the styling to stay the same but its a little better" The head honcho, basically straight up said we know the visibility is bad but chose style over giving the car better visibility.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I just explained it to you. Threads here got closed and deleted. Posts here got deleted. And what, I'm supposed to back track all the FB and YT comments over the past few months just to show you all the dumb shit people have been saying? YT people, FB people, people who think an air filter gives you 25 hp, I don't differentiate nor do I delve deeply into their lives. I told you the statements that were made. And 3 or 4 other members have all confirmed that they also saw those same comments on social media. In fact, several of them on those videos were even calling my name out there because they were from M6G. So you can pretend like I'm making this all up. But again, a few others have said the same thing. Now out of all the Mustang guys that have been here I do have respect for you. You have many times been level headed and have said quite a few things I agree with. And I said before that you're ok in my book. So I really don't wanna get into it with you of all people. But you're sitting here acting like I made this all up when it was witnessed by others. Ask the moderators how many threads they had to shut down and how many accounts were closed. Solarflare, fastcarfanboy, wholeblaq, and that is just off the top of my head. Several of them came right here, made one troll post, and then got banned. A lot of them expressing their thoughts that the GT would beat the SS.

Now maybe they were talking about strictly 1/4 mile. Maybe they meant the GT PP2. Maybe they were talking about sales figures. Maybe. But it sure as hell seemed to me that they all thought the GT would outperform the SS. Maybe a few people on here and M6G actually differentiated between the GT PP2 and the other myriad trim levels. There were too many of them saying too much bullshit about too many different trims for me to completely keep up. But that is what a lot of these guys all over social media have been saying.

Yeah your alright in my book too

I recall many of those deleted locked up threads. I think most of them were all talking 1/4 or straight line like you said and there was good reason for those to threads to get tidied up locked deleted ban hammered. So yeah I think your right but I think most of those were all about the A10 car especially after the Evan hero run.

I'm just going strictly what's been in the threads about the MT H2H, since we love same day same driver tests around here And from what I have seen, no one expected the PP1 to beat the 1LE in THIS Head to Head.

[crankaholic]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Was that lund tune/tire (drag radial) combo quick enough to run with a stock ZL1?

Just a tune and tire:



I don't know why I'm getting into this discussion... but really dude, we have no idea what was done to that Mustang or anything else about that run. I'll stick to magazine test results that were done in stock form and with at least some semblance of similar test conditions.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Well, I owned a 5th Gen which is supposed to be the worst between the 5th and 6th. I had no idea there was a visibility 'issue' until I went to M6G.

It is NOT an issue in ANY way if you know how to drive and set mirrors. PERIOD.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...trumented-test


It's mentioned in literally the very first review of the Camaro.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

You're the one that brought it back up. I'll re-quote you once again as you seem to have forgotten.



And again

Was that lund tune/tire (drag radial) combo quick enough to run with a stock ZL1?

Not with same driver.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by crankaholic

Just a tune and tire:

I don't know why I'm getting into this discussion... but really dude, we have no idea what was done to that Mustang or anything else about that run. I'll stick to magazine test results that were done in stock form and with at least some semblance of similar test conditions.

If you watch the video, it was a well documented run by one of the most well known and trusted tuners in the mustang community.

Again though, I only re-posted it because Blaqwhole drug it back from the dead...and brought my name into it.

[Spartan268]

Originally Posted by shaffe

LOL Youtube comments and FB comments are the same people that believe a K&N Filter will get them 25HP. From what I have seen on the forums, I don't think anyone expected the PP1 to beat the 1LE. I posted examples, you say there are tons lets see'em. Here are a few more









These are all from Mustang land, where we all have seen some really out there "reasons" they have come up with. Where people get bashed for praising Camaro, Still haven't seen 1 person that expected the PP1 to beat the 1LE.




Yes some of the 1/4 claims you nailed some people got quite excited about those and some were downright silly.

Originally Posted by shaffe

We will have to agree to disagree on that, I'll trust the head guy Al saying and I'm paraphrasing "We didn't address the poor visibility from the 5th gen because people wanted the styling to stay the same but its a little better" The head honcho, basically straight up said we know the visibility is bad but chose style over giving the car better visibility.



Yeah your alright in my book too

I recall many of those deleted locked up threads. I think most of them were all talking 1/4 or straight line like you said and there was good reason for those to threads to get tidied up locked deleted ban hammered. So yeah I think your right but I think most of those were all about the A10 car especially after the Evan hero run.

I'm just going strictly what's been in the threads about the MT H2H, since we love same day same driver tests around here And from what I have seen, no one expected the PP1 to beat the 1LE in THIS Head to Head.

I remember those threads as well considering I read them as a past time while I'm at work. I noticed a lot of the names are gone now like fastcarfanboy, didn't know they got the ban hammer. And if they didn't, I guess it speaks about the results of things.

In this specific head to head I remember also that it was a bit more tame compared to the older ones and there was an expectation the 1LE will win except maybe in the straight where it's questionable. And by questionable I mean by the usual specific 'few' who would say Mustang > everything.

[Spartan268]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

If you watch the video, it was a well documented run by one of the most well known and trusted tuners in the mustang community.

Again though, I only re-posted it because Blaqwhole drug it back from the dead...and brought my name into it.

It looks like you're looking for reassurement. Yes that video shows it running ZL1 like times. Happy? Now if you want to dive into it, there a similar modded M6 SS on the fast list running a similar time. Comparing stock to modded is a apples to oranges comparison. Which doubles back to the discussion of magazine testing and we'll be back at full circle here AGAIN.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by Spartan268

It looks like you're looking for reassurement. Yes that video shows it running ZL1 like times. Happy? Now if you want to dive into it, there a similar modded M6 SS on the fast list running a similar time. Comparing stock to modded is a apples to oranges comparison. Which doubles back to the discussion of magazine testing and we'll be back at full circle here AGAIN.

Again, I don't disagree. I didn't revisit the topic...but was called out.

[crysalis_01]

So many here concerning with; stock vs stock, Modded vs stock, Modded vs Modded, same driver, different drivers, etc...

All that is fun to engage and discuss on these forums, but let's not take this talk too seriously into the real world, where once you're on the track or lined up at the strip, all that matters is what you can do with your car vs what the other driver can do with their car. It all ends with "run what ya brung" and we chalk up a W or an L.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Was that lund tune/tire (drag radial) combo quick enough to run with a stock ZL1?

And again, are we comparing modded Mustangs to stock cars because that is the only way you think they can win?

Originally Posted by crankaholic

Just a tune and tire:



I don't know why I'm getting into this discussion... but really dude, we have no idea what was done to that Mustang or anything else about that run. I'll stick to magazine test results that were done in stock form and with at least some semblance of similar test conditions.

But then the Mustang won't have a shot...

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

If you watch the video, it was a well documented run by one of the most well known and trusted tuners in the mustang community.

Again though, I only re-posted it because Blaqwhole drug it back from the dead...and brought my name into it.

Yet it isn't official...

[BlaqWhole]

The visibility is not as bad as people make it out to be. Haters will over-exaggerate it while fans will downplay it. I don't have any issues with it at all. And I definitely prefer the styling over the better visibility since I haven't had any issues with it at all.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yet it isn't official...

And yet, it's still proof...and better documented than any 1/4 mile run listed in this forum.

And still you won't answer the question lol.