[1295/SS]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I haven't seen a Roush tested since around 2013 or so...

For good reason. Overrated.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Relative to other cars, it is bad. Nothing that a person that knows how to drive and how to set their mirrors will ever notice though. I am not talking about the cabin experience here, that is valid and each person has their own justifiable opinion.

Having a cramped feeling, and being dangerous are not the same though. When fanboys want to bash the Camaro, they say its visibility is a liability when in reality their driving habits are the liability if they struggle that much driving the car.

Agreed, being cramped and dangerous no where near the same.

But I think to say the visibility in the car is no problem/not a problem is bit of a stretch

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by shaffe

How's that saying go, "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck quacks like a duck it must be a duck?" People on this forum admit the car has bad/poor visibility, most of the automotive forum community says it has bad visibility and every review mentions the visibility is bad. Hell AL O himself even acknowleged its bad, but when designing the car didn't want to sacrifice styling to improve it

Again, there is negligible difference in height/width of the car vs. the Mustang. The main difference in the two vehicles is the belt line, which the Camaro does run higher.

And as someone who has owned two of them and driven plenty others, there really isn't issues seeing out of this car. However, if you are used to SUVs, big spacious sedans, or even a touring coupe, its going to feel very confined/jetlike..... which is really the point of a sports coupe anyways.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by 1295/SS

For good reason. Overrated.

Absolutely. They're junk...Roush hasn't been good for a lot longer than 2013. It's a shame though. They do produce some very nice looking packages.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Heck we had SSFriendly making bold claims that a GT with a tire and tune would beat ZL1s. P.

Tell me, does this tune/tire MY18 not run a comparable 1/4 mile time to stock ZL1s?

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

What is it with people and their whole "poor visibility/claustrophobic" cabin nonsense? I don't get it... I never will understand it.

High belt-line, small front and rear windshields, large a and c-pillars make for terrible visibility and the "I'm in a bunker" hysteria.

Adjust your mirrors all you want, but it won't change how the car feels.

With that said, some people like it...and others (like myself) hate it.

Originally Posted by shaffe

First impressions can go a long way. That was my first impressions first time I got to sit in a 6th gen was damn it's tight in here and how the hell do you see out of it. I'll admit, I would probably need to drive one for a day or so to really give a 100% honest opinion but from just sitting in one my personal opinion as a 5'10 slightly round fellow, its small on the inside.

also

How's that saying go, "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck quacks like a duck it must be a duck?" People on this forum admit the car has bad/poor visibility, most of the automotive forum community says it has bad visibility and every review mentions the visibility is bad. Hell AL O himself even acknowleged its bad, but when designing the car didn't want to sacrifice styling to improve it

Right, visibility is bad...but it's something people "can" get used to. Problem is, many don't want to.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Correction, the SS has done a 12.4 in testing...and I think it even did a 12.3 in another test.

Come on now, you aren't really trying to take runs done in different reviews and try to compare them to this head to head are you?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Not even close, quite the opposite actually. You are not good at posting convincing arguments, your posts crack me up! You're a clown! 🤡

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You hurt my feelings.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Come on now, you aren't really trying to take runs done in different reviews and try to compare them to this head to head are you?

Says the man who just compared YT videos to runs done by owners here on different days and different tracks. Also says the man who compares modded cars to stock cars.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Tell me, does this tune/tire MY18 not run a comparable 1/4 mile time to stock ZL1s?

Remember when I posted all the times of V6 Camaros and 5th gen SS Camaros that were faster than the 15-17 Mustang GT times...?? Remember back when I said if we took all the fast times for the Mustangs and Camaros there would be not one Mustang in the top 15, or top 20?? Remember how that list would have had to go up to 30 and there would be only like 2 Mustangs and they both would be last or somewhere around last? Remember how the GT tested at 12.5 and the ZL1 tested at 11.4? You seem to need shallow meaningless victories because those are the only times the GT can win. And really, you have a 16 GT. No wonder you didn't spring for an 18. All that extra money for the same handling and like 3 tenths of a second and it still loses, lol!! BTW, if the GT can beat the ZL1 with a tune and tire, imagine how much more awesome the faster and way better handling SS 1LE would be with a tune and tire! And imagine what the ZL1 could do with a tune and tire!!

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You hurt my feelings.



Says the man who just compared YT videos to runs done by owners here on different days and different tracks. Also says the man who compares modded cars to stock cars.

Let me re-quote you as you seem to be dodging the question.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Heck we had SSFriendly making bold claims that a GT with a tire and tune would beat ZL1s.

Was that lund tune/tire (drag radial) combo quick enough to run with a stock ZL1?

You said I was making bold claims...and I simply showed you (once again) proof.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Agreed, being cramped and dangerous no where near the same.

But I think to say the visibility in the car is no problem/not a problem is bit of a stretch

Well, I owned a 5th Gen which is supposed to be the worst between the 5th and 6th. I had no idea there was a visibility 'issue' until I went to M6G.

It is NOT an issue in ANY way if you know how to drive and set mirrors. PERIOD.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Well, I owned a 5th Gen which is supposed to be the worst between the 5th and 6th. I had no idea there was a visibility 'issue' until I went to M6G.

It is NOT an issue in ANY way if you know how to drive and set mirrors. PERIOD.

Every magazine or video review for the 5th and 6th gen mention the poor visibility.

It's not an issue with being dangerous, it's just an inconvenience. Pull up to a stoplight...and you have to bend you're neck to see it. Yes, you could stop 20 feet short of the stop bar, but you do have to change your habits to drive. Looking out the rear view to scan for any approaching police has the same issue. It's visibility is a compromise that either you can live with, or can't.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

LOL Youtube comments and FB comments are the same people that believe a K&N Filter will get them 25HP. From what I have seen on the forums, I don't think anyone expected the PP1 to beat the 1LE. I posted examples, you say there are tons lets see'em. Here are a few more


These are all from Mustang land, where we all have seen some really out there "reasons" they have come up with. Where people get bashed for praising Camaro, Still haven't seen 1 person that expected the PP1 to beat the 1LE.


Yes some of the 1/4 claims you nailed some people got quite excited about those and some were downright silly.

I just explained it to you. Threads here got closed and deleted. Posts here got deleted. And what, I'm supposed to back track all the FB and YT comments over the past few months just to show you all the dumb shit people have been saying? YT people, FB people, people who think an air filter gives you 25 hp, I don't differentiate nor do I delve deeply into their lives. I told you the statements that were made. And 3 or 4 other members have all confirmed that they also saw those same comments on social media. In fact, several of them on those videos were even calling my name out there because they were from M6G. So you can pretend like I'm making this all up. But again, a few others have said the same thing. Now out of all the Mustang guys that have been here I do have respect for you. You have many times been level headed and have said quite a few things I agree with. And I said before that you're ok in my book. So I really don't wanna get into it with you of all people. But you're sitting here acting like I made this all up when it was witnessed by others. Ask the moderators how many threads they had to shut down and how many accounts were closed. Solarflare, fastcarfanboy, wholeblaq, and that is just off the top of my head. Several of them came right here, made one troll post, and then got banned. A lot of them expressing their thoughts that the GT would beat the SS.

Now maybe they were talking about strictly 1/4 mile. Maybe they meant the GT PP2. Maybe they were talking about sales figures. Maybe. But it sure as hell seemed to me that they all thought the GT would outperform the SS. Maybe a few people on here and M6G actually differentiated between the GT PP2 and the other myriad trim levels. There were too many of them saying too much bullshit about too many different trims for me to completely keep up. But that is what a lot of these guys all over social media have been saying.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Remember when I posted all the times of V6 Camaros and 5th gen SS Camaros that were faster than the 15-17 Mustang GT times...?? Remember back when I said if we took all the fast times for the Mustangs and Camaros there would be not one Mustang in the top 15, or top 20?? Remember how that list would have had to go up to 30 and there would be only like 2 Mustangs and they both would be last or somewhere around last? Remember how the GT tested at 12.5 and the ZL1 tested at 11.4? You seem to need shallow meaningless victories because those are the only times the GT can win. And really, you have a 16 GT. No wonder you didn't spring for an 18. All that extra money for the same handling and like 3 tenths of a second and it still loses, lol!! BTW, if the GT can beat the ZL1 with a tune and tire, imagine how much more awesome the faster and way better handling SS 1LE would be with a tune and tire! And imagine what the ZL1 could do with a tune and tire!!

All of that to deflect from the fact that the video shows a 2018 GT running ZL1 times with just a tune/fuel/tire.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Let me re-quote you as you seem to be dodging the question.



Was that lund tune/tire (drag radial) combo quick enough to run with a stock ZL1?

You said I was making bold claims...and I simply showed you (once again) proof.

Are we comparing modded vehicles to stock vehicles because that is the only way you think the Mustang can win? Could the Mustang with a tune, tire, and a pro-driver beat a ZL1 with a tune, tire, and a pro-driver? Or is it only fair if the Mustang gets modded?