[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

A DCT would be sick. I love the 500, but good lord. The ADM's. smh.

Rumor has it, the GT500 will have a 7-spd DCT

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So is the ZL1-1LE a fail if the 500 smokes it in: 0-60, 1/8, 1/4, 1-mile, top end, street, roll, ride quality, comfort, etc, etc? You know all the stuff that is important in a street car, which is what you are purchasing. Or should Ford give all that up to make sure the 500 can run a Ring Lap?

Also is the present manual ZL1 or ZL1-1LE a failure because it can't match the straight line performance of the 13/14 GT-500?

Really... The present ZL1 A10 is beaten by the 13-14 GT500? when the heavier less horsepower manual present ZL1 (compared to the 13-14 GT500) is H2H in the 1/4 mile.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Rumor has it, the GT500 will have a 7-spd DCT

Yea, we shall wait and see. Either way, the ADM is be ridiculous and you'll have folks out there lining up begging to pay $100k so.

If I was in the market for another $100k car, I'd just go with the ZR1 or GTR and call it a day. Just sux that the Ford fanboys set the market. Not the dealers. The dealers know those idiots will come flocking in to pay $100k. Not me.

If it came with A10 or a DCT, fat rear tire, some CCB's, over 700 hp which i think is the case, I'd step up to the $75k mark, but for some reason, I don't think that will happen at that price point.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

You have a point there for sure. But remember the SS is wearing run flat GYs which by everyone's account who has switched to MPSS, are clearly inferior. So it's not solely weight advantage either.

Like I said earlier. I don't think the S550 is inferior so to speak, but it can't compete at the same price point as the alpha in terms of track performance.

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The Mustang uses the Michelin pilot sport 4S which is better than the MPSS and way better the GY eagle F1 run flats. Just like the PP2 which uses the Michelin cup 2's, far superior than the gen 3 GY eagle F1 supercar tires on the SS1LE

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

And yet its still a naturally aspirated V8. The 5th Gen Camaros had different V8s too, but it's still a damn SS. The only reason we're including the ZL1 and GT500 as different cars is because they are forced induction motors.

I mean shit, if we're going to compare your doo-dad to my doo-dad, well then yes Ford wins the biggest pile of crap every time...




The Mustang currently has a 4 cylinder turbo, a 5.0L V8, and a 5.2L V8.
The Camaro currently has a 4 cylinder turbo, a 3.6L V6, a 6.2L V8, and a 6.2L supercharged V8.

And while I'll go ahead and agree that Ford has offered a lot more "trims" for the Mustang, they have routinely made you pay to match the standard features of the Camaro. When a 1LE-V6 can match your standard GT for performance, there's an issue.

Bingo!

I can agree to disagree with everything else, but we'll hold that discussion for another time.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

The Mustang uses the Michelin pilot sport 4S which is better than the MPSS and way better the GY eagle F1 run flats. Just like the PP2 which uses the Michelin cup 2's, far superior than the gen 3 GY eagle F1 supercar tires on the SS1LE

The Gen3 GY eagle F1 supercar tires by all accounts are a fantastic tire, and likely not far behind the MPSC2's.

[crankaholic]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Lol

https://youtu.be/wBnD2hDbSOQ

LOL looks like someone lost their red key...

[Wild One]

Originally Posted by crankaholic

LOL looks like someone lost their red key...

Or had the radio turned up too loud

[1295/SS]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Funny, the Camaro has never offered the variety of model lineups as the mustang. As of right now, the PP1 lines up with the SS, the PP2 lines up with the 1LE and the GT500 lines up with the ZL1. Ford doesn’t offer anything that lines up with the ZL11LE, but GM doesn’t have anything that lines up with the GT, Bullitt, GT350 or GT350R. And we haven’t even got to talking about Roush, Steeda, Salleen or Shelby.

Yet continue to lose H2H.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by 1295/SS

Yet continue to lose H2H.

I haven't seen a Roush tested since around 2013 or so...

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Rumor has it, the GT500 will have a 7-spd DCT

Damn, that's only 3 less gears than the ZL1.

I think DCTs are on their way out with how fast they've been able to make autos shift now. A few of the initial users of the technology will probably hold out for a while, but I think their use will fade as modern non-DCT autos become the norm for the highest performance cars.

Don't get me wrong, I realize for the highest levels of performance, autos are where it's at these days, whether it's DCT or traditional, I just see that non-DCT performance keeps increasing, both gear counts and shifting performance (anticipating, etc.).

[crankaholic]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Damn, that's only 3 less gears than the ZL1.

I think DCTs are on their way out with how fast they've been able to make autos shift now. A few of the initial users of the technology will probably hold out for a while, but I think their use will fade as modern non-DCT autos become the norm for the highest performance cars.

Don't get me wrong, I realize for the highest levels of performance, autos are where it's at these days, whether it's DCT or traditional, I just see that non-DCT performance keeps increasing, both gear counts and shifting performance (anticipating, etc.).

I hope not. It's not just about performance. I have a 135i with a DCT (same gearbox as the e92 M3) and there's a huge difference in how a DCT feels compared to an auto, even a good ZF 8-speed implementation. The shifts are mechanical and you feel and hear it working... it's incredibly quick, yet it doesn't feel imperceptible... kind of hard to describe... it feels like the Flash shifting gears for you. I guess a good motorcycle transmission with a quickshifter is the closest thing. Maybe it's a placebo effect or maybe the new GM/Ford 10 speed is actually good enough that it doesn't matter

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Funny, the Camaro has never offered the variety of model lineups as the mustang. As of right now, the PP1 lines up with the SS, the PP2 lines up with the 1LE and the GT500 lines up with the ZL1. Ford doesn’t offer anything that lines up with the ZL11LE, but GM doesn’t have anything that lines up with the GT, Bullitt, GT350 or GT350R. And we haven’t even got to talking about Roush, Steeda, Salleen or Shelby.

Matching the GT...the SS. Well the SS beats it so I guess it doesn't quite "match" it.

Match the Bullitt...what for? Of all the special and limited edition Mustangs, the Bullitt is the only one I have no respect for. It is a de-badged GT PP with slightly higher output and a steeper price tag than it deserves.

Matching the GT350(R)...GM kinda skipped over that and outperformed it. But that is a job for the Z28 which should be out soon.

Roush, Steeda, Saleen, and Shelby...well 3 of those are aftermarket. And GM has had plenty of special edition aftermarket and factory special edition Camaros. SLP Panther edition Camaro, Fireball Camaro, Calloway Camaro, Transformer edition, Indy 500 Pace Car edition, COPO, Hot Wheels...I mean if we're just going to throw names of different editions out there.

Ford doesn't offer anything that can beat a V8 Camaro on the same price level. And they don't offer anything that lines up with any V8 Camaro performance-wise on the same trim level...that is going from base model all the way up.

[BlaqWhole]

If the GT500 does not have an auto trans and a damn good one at that then I don't see it beating the ZL1 in the quarter mile...even if it had 750 hp. Unless maybe it comes with a really really good tire. I see it at best maybe matching the A10 ZL1 while beating the M6 ZL1. It's gonna be a spin-monster. If it does beat the A10 ZL1 then it won't be by much. Maybe 11.2 to the ZL1's 11.4.