[seanblurr]

What extra "aero" are you guys referring to when you say the 1LE has more...? Certainly you arent referring to that little blade spoiler in the back? You don't honestly think that thing adds any downforce/drag do ya?

[Gunmetalmissle]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

And yet on the los racing youtube channel the Camaro pulls the Mustang in every roll. 0-150 time is not indicative of the results in regards to a roll race.

If you look at the mph before and after the long straight in the video for both cars, the mustang made absolutely nothing up. It’s advantage is only at even higher speeds. Useless except for dirt lake bed racing I guess.

[Gunmetalmissle]

Originally Posted by seanblurr

What extra "aero" are you guys referring to when you say the 1LE has more...? Certainly you arent referring to that little blade spoiler in the back? You don't honestly think that thing adds any downforce/drag do ya?

Directly from Chevy the 1le specific spoiler and splitter combine to add downforce which would most likely equal more drag. I agree it’s probably minimal. The wider tires add drag as well.

[WhyUMad1LE]

No respect for the 1LE eh. I wonder what is so repulsive that makes everybody hate it? Subaru and Mustang people in particular.

Think I will suck it up and get a 718 GT4 in three years. Maybe then people will like my car.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Gunmetalmissle

Directly from Chevy the 1le specific spoiler and splitter combine to add downforce which would most likely equal more drag. I agree it’s probably minimal. The wider tires add drag as well.

The designer of the SS 1LE blade spoiler posted this after my car was built with the first.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=52

[whiteboyblues2001]

Yes, but it's not just the blade spoiler, it's mostly the front splitter, then the side skirts, then the blade spoiler. The front splitter and the side skirts in particular force more of a vacuum under the car, and hence, produce more downforce. It turns out, it is much easier to manipulate the air under the car than the air over the car to produce downforce because of the ground's influence. Just change the angle a bit on the front splitter can make a world of difference under the car. The spoiler, however, would need to be a large wing with a downward angel to produce anywhere near that same downforce influence on the car. That is why the ZL1 1LE's wing is SOOOO huge. But it's splitter is no where near as exaggerated.

In any event, the SS 1LE's aero (splitter, skirts, and wing) are in NO WAY on there for show. They produce downforce at the cost of drag. No question about it.

And here is the main point: that is at MUCH slower speeds (turns of a road course, think 40 - 90 MPH or so) than we are talking about in the 1 mile race. 40 MPH is 3.75 times less than 150 MPH, which means 14 times the amount of change in drag. FOURTEEN TIMES. So for every 10 pounds of additional resistance at 40 MPH, there is 140 LBS of increased drag at 150.

And that is just the three aero bits. That has nothing to say about the increased tire size which also comes into play.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Just ask BlaqWhole...it's his favorite motorsport!

Yea and your favorite motorsport is losing...

Originally Posted by jmackisback

Which car is fastest to 156 mph?

Well that depends on if you're racing on dirt/gravel/sand on the bottom of a dried up lake or on asphalt...

[BlaqWhole]

Soo much comedy from the Ford camp.

The Camaro is soo fast that it made the Mustang guys give up 1/4 mile racing on pavement and switch to 1 mile racing on dirt.

It took Ford 2 MYs, 25 more HP, 20 more TQ, 4 extra gears, and an entire mile on dirt to finally make the GT faster than the SS.

Mustangs...when you lose in the 1/4 mile, go offroad for another 3/4s of a mile.

Mustangs...it's the tires bro, it's the tires.

2018 Mustang GT...for when you refuse to lose by more than 2 tenths.

Mustangs...still chipping their way into the 11s.

Mustangs...because the fastest ones haven't been made since 2014.

Mustangs...giving SSFriendly complimentary salt to eat those words...

2018 Mustang GT...because now you can spend more money on it while losing in it.

2018 Mustang GT...but, but Evans...but, but Lund...but, but A10 trans...

2018 Mustang GT...because if you gave it a 3 second head start, it would still lose by more than a driver's race.

2018 Mustang GT...because they really thought a GT would be faster than the Shelby.

Mustangs...letting M6G down since 2015.

Mustangs...keeping the aftermarket happy since...

[MarioKartSS]

Nice results by the Camaro.

Can't wait for Camaro vs Mustang PP72...bu bu guys...just wait and see what happens when PP73 is out.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Getting back to the Head to Head, did anyone watch it?

I did, and it was very interesting. The reviewers said that compared to the Camaro, the Mustang was like riding on top of a stack of phone books on top of a waterbed, and that the steering in the new Mustang is "a mess".

This was evidenced in the videos of the track portion. That body was jiggling around more than a phat butt in a rap video. Take a look at the shots where the Mustang is negotiating a corner and the video is shot from the rear. The rear end is way too out of control. I think a stiffer sway bar in the back (among other things) would make huge improvements on the track (and on the road too), and may even take away some of the steering issues. Johnny complained about initiating a turn with the steering wheel, then something happens, then you have to adjust. But then the car set, and you could control it. Could be the rear end flopping around, which you can clearly see in the video, and makes perfect sense.

I expected more, especially since they have the Magnetic Ride Control now. But I guess, Chevy had a better chassis to start with, then put a stiff suspension on it, and used the MRC to get rid of the harshness over bumps. Looks like Ford took the opposite approach. They just slapped the MRC on a soft suspension, and tried to tune it to flatten out the car in the turns (which it can help with too).

Prior to this, I would have told all the Mustang guys to get the MRC, because it is soooo good. But, the way they configured it in the Mustang, I am not so sure is utilized to it's full potential. The car is soft to begin with, so maybe the MRC won't make as big a difference. It sure doesn't on the track at least.

I haven't watched the video but if this is the case it is very disappointing and helps explain the poor track times for sure. Hardly worth anywhere near the hefty pricetag it comes with

[seanblurr]

The biggest issue causing any sort of calculable drag on the 1LE is probably the front tires which poke past the front bumper a bit. The front lip may have a minuscule effect, the blade spoiler I really doubt does much of anything unless it has the wicker bill attached and there are no side skirts on the car. Let’s not make excuses as to why the Mustang had a higher top speed, ya’ll starting to sound like them. We can give the GT one win, it’s ok.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I haven't watched the video but if this is the case it is very disappointing and helps explain the poor track times for sure. Hardly worth anywhere near the hefty pricetag it comes with

This really is my only gripe. 15-17, yeah the Mustang was slower but a GREAT deal and worth the money I think.

Now, they are asking Camaro money, and not offering Camaro performance. I am not understanding the new price increase at all. What are people getting for all that money, that they could not get in a 15-17?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MarioKartSS

Can't wait for Camaro vs Mustang PP72...bu bu guys...just wait and see what happens when PP73 is out.

Exactly. They said the new GT would beat the SS. It lost so they then said it wasn't and apples to apples comparison and made every excuse in the book on the trim levels. So now we get another test and yet again the GT loses but it isn't apples to apples. So now we gotta wait for the PP2 to come out. By the time the damn PP2 is out they will have had damn near 3 MYs and God knows how many versions or PeePee to test out and get their asses kicked before they finally get it right. So if, IF, the GT PeePee #2 (see what I did there?) beats the SS, then that is a shallow as hell victory seeing as how the SS has been unchanged since 2016 while the GT has been tweaked, retweaked, and re-re-tweaked. Considering that the S550 is almost done I mean it took them all this time to beat the SS?? LOL! How many refreshes and upgrades and changes does it take for a GT to beat a SS? Ford has the advantage now because they can see exactly what it'll take to beat the SS. And they can do further tweaks to the PissPot2 to make it more competitive. If the SS 1LE STILL beats the urineurineshit after all this then that just means Ford should give it up.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by seanblurr

Let’s not make excuses as to why the Mustang had a higher top speed, ya’ll starting to sound like them. We can give the GT one win, it’s ok.

On dirt...

Originally Posted by ST1LE

This really is my only gripe. 15-17, yeah the Mustang was slower but a GREAT deal and worth the money I think.

Now, they are asking Camaro money, and not offering Camaro performance. I am not understanding the new price increase at all. What are people getting for all that money, that they could not get in a 15-17?

All that money went to the trans and engine upgrades...which sucks for those who bought the manual trans. But see, now those twerps over there know why the SS was more expensive. Performance costs money no matter how you slice it. The GT was cheap as shit because it offered shit performance. And like I said before, people who couldn't afford a better car were able to scrape money together for a base GT which Ford was throwing away at people. Now they're paying SS prices but not getting SS performance which should make abundantly clear that the price of the SS was justified all along.