[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by JFM-jr

Really? Maybe ive just moved it over too soon because ive done what you describe well before 6K and it blasts the limiter every time. This was one of the first methods I tried as it seems like the most logical.

I've not had one issue with using the Manual gate then back to Drive, no matter what RPM I switch back to Drive at. Just to be clear what I am doing:

1) Put shifter into M
2) Drop down to desired gear and hold
3) After going WOT, put shifter back to D

What gear, RPMs are you trying at? I want to see if I can recreate your issue.

[JFM-jr]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I've not had one issue with using the Manual gate then back to Drive, no matter what RPM I switch back to Drive at. Just to be clear what I am doing:

1) Put shifter into M
2) Drop down to desired gear and hold
3) After going WOT, put shifter back to D

What gear, RPMs are you trying at? I want to see if I can recreate your issue.

I have done EXACTLY as you describe and it will hit the limiter every time. The time it takes for the TCM to actually take shifting control back after I put the shifter back to "D" is too long (on my car). I will usually try this in either 1st or 2nd gear

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by JFM-jr

I have done EXACTLY as you describe and it will hit the limiter every time. The time it takes for the TCM to actually take shifting control back after I put the shifter back to "D" is too long (on my car). I will usually try this in either 1st or 2nd gear

I'll try 1st and 2nd in mine next week when I have some time to record it. Either there's something up with your car in particular, or there's some specific scenario at work here.

Just for reference, why are you trying 1st or 2nd on a roll? Thought most did roll racing around 40ish. I'm usually trying 3rd around 3.5-4K RPM, is that too low for a good roll race?

[Tenfive]

Originally Posted by L99BEN

If manual is a must, i'd go with the camaro SS or 1le. If an auto person, the ZF designed 8 speed is better in the scatpack.

You do realize youre wrong .
Have you driven an auto Camaro ?

Dodge was NEVER known for building a decent automatic ever .
PLUS the manual camaro is way slower than the automatic.

Do you really own a Mazda Miata ?

[JFM-jr]

Originally Posted by Tenfive

You do realize youre wrong .
Have you driven an auto Camaro ?

Dodge was NEVER known for building a decent automatic ever .
PLUS the manual camaro is way slower than the automatic.

Do you really own a Mazda Miata ?

Maybe they were never known until this point but the A8 in the Scatpack and Hellcat are better transmissions than the Camaro. I have driven all 3 of the cars above aggressivley.

[SuperSound]

Well technically the Dodge A8 is only built under license from ZF. So Dodge didn't design it which is why it works better. The ZF has much better paddle response and doesn't have a widespread TC shudder like both GM A8 variants. So I agree, the ZF is a better unit, and I drove one for 3 years.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Tenfive

You do realize youre wrong .
Have you driven an auto Camaro ?

Dodge was NEVER known for building a decent automatic ever .
PLUS the manual camaro is way slower than the automatic.

Do you really own a Mazda Miata ?

"Ever"?

The torqueflite727 is widely regarded as being nearly bulletproof..

Now in more recent decades I'll agree Dodge's home grown transmissions have been less than stellar.

[zx9rmal]

Originally Posted by Tenfive

You do realize youre wrong .
Have you driven an auto Camaro ?

PLUS the manual camaro is way slower than the automatic.

Well, I guess that's WAY slower?

2SS Coupe RWD 8A 3.9 sec 12.3 sec @ 116 mph Car and Driver
2SS Coupe RWD 6M 4.0 sec 12.3 sec @ 118 mph Car and Driver

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by zx9rmal

Well, I guess that's WAY slower?

2SS Coupe RWD 8A 3.9 sec 12.3 sec @ 116 mph Car and Driver
2SS Coupe RWD 6M 4.0 sec 12.3 sec @ 118 mph Car and Driver

This would be the more accurate comparison in times:

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/drag-...ith-jeff-lutz/

A8: 12.21@115mph
M6: 12:40@115mph

But I agree with the point you are making. It's not "WAY" slower. But don't kid yourself to believing the M6 is as quick as the A8 in the 1/4 either (same conditions/driver).

[zx9rmal]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

You're cherry picking results I'm afraid. This would be the more accurate comparison in times:

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/drag-...ith-jeff-lutz/

A8: 12.21@115mph
M6: 12:40@115mph

But I agree with the point you are making. It's not "WAY" slower. But don't kid yourself to believing the M6 is as quick as the A8 in the 1/4 (same conditions/driver).

I wasn't really cherry picking. That's just the first one I happened to come across. No question the A8 will be quicker. I just like M6-ing.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by zx9rmal

I wasn't really cherry picking. That's just the first one I happened to come across. No question the A8 will be quicker. I just like M6-ing.

All good buddy. Choice is good!

[Zack46]

Originally Posted by The Knight Rider

Hi everybody. I am fairly new to this forum. Long story short, For the life of me I can’t make up my mind which car is right for me. I have a nice car now in a v6 accord, which is pretty good for me. It is roughly 300 horse. I no reason to get rid of this car other than to get something much cooler. If I cant achieve that, then I will just keep what I have and not buy any other car.

I have tried to read and view every review for both of these cars and have tried to learn everthing I can about them. I have test driven both cars as well. They drove totally differently. In short the camaro was simply a pure race car, amazingly fast. The Challenger drove kind of like a truck/suv, but I loved the way that hemi and exhaust sounded even at low speeds. Which of these 2 vechicles would be looked upon as more special/fancy? Both cars would be used spring through fall as a daily driver. Neither car will be driven in the winter. I want to keep either car for as long as possible. I am scared to death of dodges/fca reliability. I hear a lot of horror stories and consumer reports and jd power agree. So hard to get the truth about cars since owners are too passionate.

Also, is this an unfair assessment, is the dodge seen as just a regular sedan type car with a big engine or is that not fair? I am not thrilled with its big size. I would rather drive a smaller car as it is easier.

I would love to hear your thoughts. I dont know what to do. This car will be a daily driver but I want something I can buy that is as special as possible for around $45 k and it will be a toy for me. I dont want to spend this money and feel like I got something similiar to my Honda. Dont want to waste my money. Thanks!

Go with the 2SS, you won't be disappointed....

[JFM-jr]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Well technically the Dodge A8 is only built under license from ZF. So Dodge didn't design it which is why it works better. The ZF has much better paddle response and doesn't have a widespread TC shudder like both GM A8 variants. So I agree, the ZF is a better unit, and I drove one for 3 years.

Yes paddle shifter response and user tunability as well. Theres a very noticable difference from the soft to hard shift settings.

[MRREVINTO7]

JFM-jr and I have compared these 2 cars Back to Back as i am his friend that owned the 15 scatpack i also own an 16 A8 camaro ss and a 17 Hellcat A8 he has run them all 40 times and driven them on his own for lenth of time for his own comparisons .we both agree they are all fun and have such different personalities /good qualities 2 things we both agree on is they are all fun and Fast .the camaro on DR tires and the scat were side by side for every 10 runs he would get me 6 times i would say but we could have handed a cup of coffee back and forth ..1 thing i feel with him is the A8 in the Dodges shifts are much faster over all and the main thing is 0 lag when manually shifting ..other than that i love the camaro as much .its like a cockpit and handles like an M4 for 1/2 the money .not that the challengers handle bad but the camaro is in BMW class you just can't put the challenger in that catagorie .I say pick what you like theres trade offs to everything but you really can't make a bad decision whether it be camaro SS SCatpack or new 18 mustang ..