[TJay74]

Also the stock SS has road side assist for 1 year and the 1LE cars have it for 2 years. GM will cover towing under that program due to a break down or flat tire I believe.

I am not sure what snow/ice mode is going to do on dry roads even with summer only tires on the vehicle, all it does it change the steering response and throttle response and if MRC equipped the ride compliance.

I cant stand the muted throttle in Tour mode, as much as I would like to use Race mode for my daily driving I dont like the throttle map for it either.

[ChevyRules]

Curious... For those who stick with the summer tires and live in areas that get cold/snow, why don't you have a winter tire setup?

[TJay74]

Snow tires for cold? If I only have to worry about cold weather the summer tires are fine. If my car had to drive on snow I would run a set of A/S tires on another rim setup as long as I wasnt north of the Wichita KS line.

Then again my Camaro is just a pleasure and fun car, the wife and I both have dedicated "DD" cars we can drive if need be.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

Curious... For those who stick with the summer tires and live in areas that get cold/snow, why don't you have a winter tire setup?

My guess is cost...and that's not a dig. You're looking at at least $1000 for a budget friendly setup...$1800-2000 for a good set. That's a hard pill to swallow for some.

Luckily, when I bought my car through Tom Henry, he allowed me to purchase a set of wheels and tires and finance it all together with the initial vehicle purchase on my 2014.

I just couldn't even fathom driving the car through the winter/cold with summer tires. It's no fun, and it's dangerous to myself and others on the road. That said, that car was my only vehicle and daily driver. That makes a big difference, too.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by TJay74

Snow tires for cold? If I only have to worry about cold weather the summer tires are fine.

No, they are NOT!

Summer tires have a different rubber composition than all seasons or winter. Below 45 degrees they get hard. Hard tires have severely reduced traction. They dont grip the road so much as just ride on top of it.

Also summer tires can crack and split in severe cold weather just sitting in your garage not even mounted to the car!! I have mine in my basement.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by fastball

No, they are NOT!

Summer tires have a different rubber composition than all seasons or winter. Below 45 degrees they get hard. Hard tires have severely reduced traction. They dont grip the road so much as just ride on top of it.

Also summer tires can crack and split in severe cold weather just sitting in your garage not even mounted to the car!! I have mine in my basement.

It might be important to specify that the more extreme summer tires are more prone to this situation...."regular" summer tires will still get stiffer as they get colder and loose traction...but may not crack...or may tolerate colder temps.

[CruzySS]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

It might be important to specify that the more extreme summer tires are more prone to this situation...."regular" summer tires will still get stiffer as they get colder and loose traction...but may not crack...or may tolerate colder temps.

Exactly. Summer performance tires won't crack just sitting in the cold. Some may crack if there is a load on them and moved in the extreme cold.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by CruzySS

Exactly. Summer performance tires won't crack just sitting in the cold. Some may crack if there is a load on them and moved in the extreme cold.

I'll say this much - the tires on the ZL1 1LE are shot (ordering new ones for the spring)...so I was curious and decided to leave them on the car as it sat outside in the garage for the winter. It's under a cover, but I am curious to see the results.

[CruzySS]

You shall find out. I had tires exposed to negative degrees that were still on the car with no cracking. I'm sure it may vary from tire to tire. Post pics this spring on what you find.

[ecko04]

For members to come here and say that the stock summer rubber, that comes with a warning of being operated in less than 40 degree temperatures being hazardous, give guidance and advice that they’re fine in cold and snow despite the Goodyear warning is downright dangerous.

Why even bother chancing it if you can afford a $600 winter/snow wheel and tire setup? It is just mind boggling.

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[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by CruzySS

You shall find out. I had tires exposed to negative degrees that were still on the car with no cracking. I'm sure it may vary from tire to tire. Post pics this spring on what you find.

I'll be sure to!

[ecko04]

make sure to post your untuned 300 dry nitrous shot dyno run too


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[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by ecko04

make sure to post your untuned 300 dry nitrous shot dyno run too


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[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by ecko04

For members to come here and say that the stock summer rubber, that comes with a warning of being operated in less than 40 degree temperatures being hazardous, give guidance and advice that they’re fine in cold and snow despite the Goodyear warning is downright dangerous.

Why even bother chancing it if you can afford a $600 winter/snow wheel and tire setup? It is just mind boggling.

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$600 winter snow tire/wheel setup? You've got to be kidding me.

If you are driving on cold pavement most of the time, some blizzaks or equivalent will work well. If you are driving on ice much of the time in the winter, studded is going to be significantly safer, but both of those cost a lot more than $600 for 4 new tires, let alone rims, even if you go with cheap ones. I just put together a winter setup and I got some used blizzaks for around $600, new is around $1200. $250-340 for one tire that's 255 wide according to tire rack, and supporting that much torque and weight with a skinny tire isn't going to go well, not to mention the whole "you want skinny tires" only applies to going through snow deep enough to turn your camaro into a slow-plow.

I'm not saying don't do it, you can get some winter tires and get them switched out, which is another $200 or so a year, or get a dedicated set on wheels you can switch out, but it's a lot more than $600. The main benefit to me is that you can switch it when you want and it allows you to go that much more nuts with the summer rubber, which is well worth it. Maximum traction in both realms, rather than a compromise in all.