[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you profess to be a seasoned racer yet you keep saying you can't cool a car down on a t&t night....BS. I have cooled my car down between almost every pass I have ever made at the track.

You dont have to make a pass every time they call to load up or you run a fan on the motor in the pits if your serious.

fwiw I have made some of my best passes of a given night straight off the highway.

the only time you have to make it to the line when they call is in eliminations. test and tune and time only is at your leisure.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

You dont have to make a pass every time they call to load up or you run a fan on the motor in the pits if your serious.

"You're".

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you profess to be a seasoned racer yet you keep saying you can't cool a car down on a t&t night....BS. I have cooled my car down between almost every pass I have ever made at the track.

You dont have to make a pass every time they call to load up or you run a fan on the motor in the pits if your serious.

fwiw I have made some of my best passes of a given night straight off the highway.

All things equal car will run quicker every time cooled off. Seen it on a dyno. seen it on a track. no doubt you have made quick passes off the highway so have I. so what

Evan Smith found that to be the best way

go tell him he doesn't know what he is doing

the most effective way is to let the car sit for a long period. it produces the quickest time. he even says that in the article lol

it can be cooled down some yes. but nothing like sitting right before the line with a car cooled down for an hour and then running it. I find it gold that he even talked about it in the article and that doing that gave him a tenth. He proved me right its in black and white. sorry. Im sure you are a better racer than him and me though

Think about how fast my car would go if I knew what I was doing? that just makes these cars that much more impressive that an idiot like me can buy a couple parts and run tens on a stock converter at 3700 lbs! Amazing!

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

the only time you have to make it to the line when they call is in eliminations. test and tune and time only is at your leisure.

what do you mean at your leisure? you have to wait for other people. turning the car off and on and moving it will still heat it up. No im not going to push it. the car can never be driven completely cold like it could at a rental.

you guys are funny. he even admits it in the article that's exactly what he did and it got him the best time.

[ULTRAZLS1]

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...18-mustang-gt/

With an hour to go, we let the car cool all the way down. We gave a quick call to former MM&FF answer man “Yo” Ken Miele, who keeps tabs on who’s running quick. Ken said it’s been rumored the quickest posted time for a stock Mustang was a 12.02, he’s also heard of a new Camaro SS running 11.84 in perfect conditions.

With the session ending, we dropped tire pressure to 26 psi and hopped in the Kona Blue GT. We fired the 5.0L, selected Drag Mode, turned off TC and did a short and sweet burnout. Cylinder head temp was showing 160 on the gauge after the burnout (about 20 degrees lower than the previous runs); we didn’t want to build heat so we staged, powerbraked to 2,000 rpm, and cut it loose immediately.


Maybe you guys could head out with him next time and show him how to go faster since we are so dumb

LULZZZ

Im not saying tis impossible on a test night but ive never had the chance to run in that fashion. If it was dead its possible. It doesn't negate the results its just one of many little things that produce good results that the average person will not do.

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

what do you mean at your leisure? you have to wait for other people. turning the car off and on and moving it will still heat it up. No im not going to push it. the car can never be driven completely cold like it could at a rental.

you guys are funny. he even admits it in the article that's exactly what he did and it got him the best time.

I was simply responding to your comment about not being able to wait or cool down on test and tune night. I have raced both eliminations and test and tune/street legal drags and always have that option when not in elims.. never had to push my car to maintain temp. and a completely cold car is not the fastest configuration.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...18-mustang-gt/

With an hour to go, we let the car cool all the way down. We gave a quick call to former MM&FF answer man “Yo” Ken Miele, who keeps tabs on who’s running quick. Ken said it’s been rumored the quickest posted time for a stock Mustang was a 12.02, he’s also heard of a new Camaro SS running 11.84 in perfect conditions.

With the session ending, we dropped tire pressure to 26 psi and hopped in the Kona Blue GT. We fired the 5.0L, selected Drag Mode, turned off TC and did a short and sweet burnout. Cylinder head temp was showing 160 on the gauge after the burnout (about 20 degrees lower than the previous runs); we didn’t want to build heat so we staged, powerbraked to 2,000 rpm, and cut it loose immediately.


Maybe you guys could head out with him next time and show him how to go faster since we are so dumb

LULZZZ

Im not saying tis impossible on a test night but ive never had the chance to run in that fashion. If it was dead its possible. It doesn't negate the results its just one of many little things that produce good results that the average person will not do.

back pedal, obfuscate...whatever.

you said cooling the car was "not an option"...sure sounds impossible to me.


Fact is Evan didnt do anything any smart and experienced t&t racer does on a regular basis. He didn't teach me anything. I have no problem cooling the car for an hour , maybe more and toggling the engine through the lanes and staging the car with head temps in the 160's... ive seen the logs.

I start my car for a pass when i'm ready to pull into the burnout box.


YOU'RE(just for you Blaq) right about one thing though...the average person won't do those things at the track and those guys will always run average times.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

back pedal, obfuscate...whatever.

you said cooling the car was "not an option"...sure sounds impossible to me.


Fact is Evan didnt do anything any smart and experienced t&t racer does on a regular basis. He didn't teach me anything. I have no problem cooling the car for an hour , maybe more and toggling the engine through the lanes and staging the car with head temps in the 160's... ive seen the logs.

I start my car for a pass when i'm ready to pull into the burnout box.


YOU'RE(just for you Blaq) right about one thing though...the average person won't do those things at the track and those guys will always run average times.

It isn't an option for me. Not in that exact fashion. Like I said maybe teach Smith a thing or two. He prefers the method I spoke of.

It must kill you they put that in the article after I called it weeks before it was published and you still tried to argue with me then.

im not backpedaling on anything. I called this in advance. was proven right. and you are still dancing around the subject arguing just to argue. whatever

he didn't even have to wait for someone else to stage. the way it was done at that rental is the absolute most optimal and effective way to run a car.

But after all that BS argue you make the fastest passes off the highway . you are talking in circles and the fact remains I called this as rental advantage and that it was probably done to produce the best time. it was. I was right. the end.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

"You're".

Now I see why you pounced on me. Lol, Hope you dont lump me into this whatever that decided to blow off in this thread and others with his nonsense.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

All things equal car will run quicker every time cooled off. Seen it on a dyno. seen it on a track. no doubt you have made quick passes off the highway so have I. so what

Evan Smith found that to be the best way

go tell him he doesn't know what he is doing

the most effective way is to let the car sit for a long period. it produces the quickest time. he even says that in the article lol

it can be cooled down some yes. but nothing like sitting right before the line with a car cooled down for an hour and then running it. I find it gold that he even talked about it in the article and that doing that gave him a tenth. He proved me right its in black and white. sorry. Im sure you are a better racer than him and me though

Think about how fast my car would go if I knew what I was doing? that just makes these cars that much more impressive that an idiot like me can buy a couple parts and run tens on a stock converter at 3700 lbs! Amazing!

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So I guess reading above we can't consider any published media times in which the car had time to cool down. That HotRod all out effort with the 6th Gen resulting in 12:20s must really be eating at you. Amazing.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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So I guess reading above we can't consider any published media times in which the car had time to cool down. That HotRod all out effort with the 6th Gen resulting in 12:20s must really be eating at you. Amazing.

You mean the test in +DA where they ran the car over 80 times with no cooldown? That test? Yeah. Not sure why we are still taking about the GT. It lost in C&D. They correct all their times. The GT is better than it was but that is all it is better than. Maybe the S650 will be better.... If they don't cancel it.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

He deep staged. And also adjusted air pressure. All normal things to do

He also waited for extensive cool down which gained another tenth. Not an option on a regular test night.

As far as removing parts or modding the car doubt it

We’re you bored of the Scat pack? Kind of an odd trade to an uglier car that is marginally faster and pretty expensive. I’d take a Scat pack over a mustang any day

Your track most always be packed like crazy then. I have been at a T&T where I could let my car sit for 30-45 minutes, then hop in and drive right up and wait for maybe a car or two. Or if you don't care how many passes you get in you could even just wait in the pro tree lane, might only be 3 or 4 cars in that lane so you get when they call you to go you just go.

Also he shallow staged, not deep staged.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

You mean the test in +DA where they ran the car over 80 times with no cooldown? That test? Yeah. Not sure why we are still taking about the GT. It lost in C&D. They correct all their times. The GT is better than it was but that is all it is better than. Maybe the S650 will be better.... If they don't cancel it.

Per HotRod article.

"Wild Horse Pass is an excellent track. We had careful prep on the starting line, but it was still what we’d consider a “street-car” preparation—sticky for the launch and clean down the rest of the quarter-mile. The perfect weather and fantastic surface deserve a nod, but most of the credit for the incredible times we saw belongs to the Camaro."

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Per HotRod article.

"Wild Horse Pass is an excellent track. We had careful prep on the starting line, but it was still what we’d consider a “street-car” preparation—sticky for the launch and clean down the rest of the quarter-mile. The perfect weather and fantastic surface deserve a nod, but most of the credit for the incredible times we saw belongs to the Camaro."

So +DA no cooldowns or missing away bars and 80 runs. Yep. No reason to talk about the GT.