[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

FYI: LS7 and LT1 torque curve are nearly identical at engine speeds < 4000. I'm failing to see why higher torque/power at low engine speed is a bad thing.

What's your prediction for this specific head2head... which one will cross the 1/4 mile mark first?

I predict they will be within .1 of each other and it could go either way. The SS has all the advantages though... same hp, more torque, less weight. If the GT wins it will be an upset.

[ChevyRules]

I don't get why so many are getting upset.... We knew from the beginning the 2018 GT and SS will become a drivers race in the straights.

We have known for ages the benefits and drawbacks of OHV vs DOHC. No need to go after each other if one prefers the grunt of the OHV vs preferring the high revving nature of DOHC.

What's the curious part for me is if Ford fixed the handling characteristics of the GT. Not saying the 2015-2017 GT handled badly, but when test driving both the SS and GT( both transmissions and the stick GT had the PP) I preferred the SS's more precise feel when thrown in the corners( other caveat is I was able to take the SS on the roads I wanted, where the GT's I drove had empty tanks limiting my ability to go where I wanted).

This H2H will be a blood bath on the track with the 1LE wiping the floor with the GT PP1( which is why I think everyone is focusing on the straight line numbers because they all expect it too). 1LE vs PP2 will be the interesting H2H.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I predict they will be within .1 of each other and it could go either way. The SS has all the advantages though... same hp, more torque, less weight. If the GT wins it will be an upset.

That sounds reasonable. There was a lot of back and forth arguing just to predict it's about as fast / drivers race.

Based on C&D's test, I'm predicting the SS will be 0.2s faster in this head2head. We will see on Jan 17th.

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

I don't get why so many are getting upset.... We knew from the beginning the 2018 GT and SS will become a drivers race in the straights.

We have known for ages the benefits and drawbacks of OHV vs DOHC. No need to go after each other if one prefers the grunt of the OHV vs preferring the high revving nature of DOHC.

What's the curious part for me is if Ford fixed the handling characteristics of the GT. Not saying the 2015-2017 GT handled badly, but when test driving both the SS and GT( both transmissions and the stick GT had the PP) I preferred the SS's more precise feel when thrown in the corners( other caveat is I was able to take the SS on the roads I wanted, where the GT's I drove had empty tanks limiting my ability to go where I wanted).

This H2H will be a blood bath on the track with the 1LE wiping the floor with the GT PP1( which is why I think everyone is focusing on the straight line numbers because they all expect it too). 1LE vs PP2 will be the interesting H2H.

The answer is no, they did not catch up to Chevrolet with their handling. Randy Pobst already alluded to the fact the drag racing was fairly close, but the track times were certainly in favor of the SS.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

The answer is no, they did not catch up to Chevrolet with their handling. Randy Pobst already alluded to the fact the drag racing was fairly close, but the track times were certainly in favor of the SS.

My last sentence about I expect the track results to be a blood bath in favor of the 1LE was referencing that allusion. This H2H is a bit unfair though given it is 1LE vs PP1. PP1 would compare better with the regular SS. PP2 is the pack that goes against the 1LE. But we have to wait for a PP2 test cause it isn't available yet.

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I predict they will be within .1 of each other and it could go either way. The SS has all the advantages though... same hp, more torque, less weight. If the GT wins it will be an upset.

It will not happen. But it also would certainly not be an upset, seeing as Ford has had years to catch up by putting something new together. Weights are basically a wash and with the transmission upgrade for the Crudstains it should be more competitive.

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

This H2H is a bit unfair though given it is 1LE vs PP1. PP1 would compare better with the regular SS. PP2 is the pack that goes against the 1LE.

It's a performance pack...people have to pay big extra bucks for it. It's fair. PP2 has the best tires of the either the Rustang or SS. I doubt you'll see SS owners using that as an excuse if the PP2 comes out like gangbusters.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

It will not happen. But it also would certainly not be an upset, seeing as Ford has had years to catch up by putting something new together. Weights are basically a wash and with the transmission upgrade for the Crudstains it should be more competitive.

The weights are not a wash. We have seen several PP1s weigh in at 38XXlbs. That's almost 200lbs more than a 1SS. The only advantage with the M6 GT is possibly the tires. It doesn't have a gearing advantage like the A10 does. Still I'd say .2 to .3 in the 1/4.

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[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The weights are not a wash. We have seen several PP1s weigh in at 38XXlbs. That's almost 200lbs more than a 1SS. The only advantage with the M6 GT is possibly the tires. It doesn't have a gearing advantage like the A10 does. Still I'd say .2 to .3 in the 1/4.

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Huh? My 1SS is basically 3700 lbs, come on now....

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

It's a performance pack...people have to pay big extra bucks for it. It's fair. PP2 has the best tires of the either the Rustang or SS. I doubt you'll see SS owners using that as an excuse if the PP2 comes out like gangbusters.

No, I see it as a different packaging strategies. Ford offers three levels of the GT. First is no thrills cheap bare bones vehicle for those who just want a V8 on the cheap, then PP1 which gives it some athletic ability, then PP2 for those who want to track it on a decent basis. GM decided only offering two levels skipping the bare bones vehicle and offer the SS being track ready. Then offer the 1LE that is even more oriented for track days. So I see it as GM not offering a bare bones V8, SS lines up with PP1 and 1LE lines up with PP2.

Now I do think it is an absolute blunder on Ford's part to offer the PP2 which is meant for track days, but put it on the owners to install the extra coolers to keep everything cool for extended periods on the track. But that wasn't the point I am making above with how I see where the GT and SS line up.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

Huh? My 1SS is basically 3700 lbs, come on now....

Look up LMRs car. That was a PP1 auto.

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[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

No, I see it as a different packaging strategies. Ford offers three levels of the GT. First is no thrills cheap bare bones vehicle for those who just want a V8 on the cheap, then PP1 which gives it some athletic ability, then PP2 for those who want to track it on a decent basis. GM decided only offering two levels skipping the bare bones vehicle and offer the SS being track ready. Then offer the 1LE that is even more oriented for track days.

Now I do think it is an absolute blunder on Ford's part to offer the PP2 which is meant for track days, but put it on the owners to install the extra coolers to keep everything cool for extended periods on the track. But that wasn't the point I am making above with how I see where the GT and SS line up.

I'll agree to disagree.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

I'll agree to disagree.

no you're just wrong

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Look up LMRs car. That was a PP1 auto.

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That was a auto. I’m sure this will be 6m to 6m shootout. Also, the 1le is about 3750lbs.