[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Your "truck type quality" statement was strike out. If you know anything about trucks and their engines or engines in general then you would know that your comment was retarded. Would you say the Coyote in the F150 is the same as the Coyote in the GT?

Yes, I don't know anything about engines. I mean, I've only built a few of them from the ground up and tuned them on my own as well.

Please, enlighten me. This should be good.


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[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Yes, I don't know anything about engines. I mean, I've only built a few of them from the ground up and tuned them on my own as well.

Says everyone on a forum. Wow, you build engines. Wow.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Please, enlighten me. This should be good.

No enlightenment needed then if you already know that a truck engine is different from a Muscle Car engine. What you said made no sense. So you were either talking out your ass or trying to trigger a reaction. It didn't work so you started with the whole "don't be defensive" and "no need to get bent out of shape" remarks. Plus the fact that an engine with truck qualities (as you put it) propels the SS faster than the "athletic" (as you put it) Mustang engine further shows how dumb the comment was. A high rev limit means nothing if you can't beat the competing car. Heck the Hellcat hits redline at 5750 and is limited to 6400. You can rev the GT all the way to 8000 RPMs if you want and it still won't have anything for that. I'll take my lazy pushrod all day over a high revving DOHC that has no power down low and couldn't even get in front of something like a 350Z if the road merged short enough. Shit by the time you get into the powerband everyone and their mother has already gotten in front of you and will go telling their buddies they kicked a GT's ass up to 40 MPH.

[metros11]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The LT1 seems to have more of a truck type quality than what would be expected in a sports car (Corvette).

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

There's no shame in how the LT1 makes it's power, don't be so defensive. My big dumb engine makes 460 rwhp and 490 rwtq, peaks at 5500 rpm, and is done by 5700. It's probably better suited in an RV, but it's effective in my Mustang.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Yes, I don't know anything about engines. I mean, I've only built a few of them from the ground up and tuned them on my own as well.

It sounds to me like you know enough to build a truck motor for your Mustang.

It's also amazing to me that GM keep taking all those victories at Laguna Seca, Watkins Glen, Sabring, Daytona (just to name a few) and even Le Mans with their Vettes that carry motor technology better suited for a truck.

For the record, I don't need to be defensive. I'm not a brand loyalist, nor am I a Mustang owner trolling a Camaro forum.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Says everyone on a forum. Wow, you build engines. Wow.


No enlightenment needed then if you already know that a truck engine is different from a Muscle Car engine. Heck the Hellcat hits redline at 5750 and is limited to 6400.

what are the differences in the Hellcat(muscle car) and Track Hawk(truck) engines?

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

what are the differences in the Hellcat(muscle car) and Track Hawk(truck) engines?

Sigh

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

what are the differences in the Hellcat(muscle car) and Track Hawk(truck) engines?

Well the main difference is that the Trackhawk is a SUV...not a truck. The other difference is that the Trackhawk was more designed FOR THE TRACK. Hence the name "TRACKhawk". It was designed with an emphasis on luxury and track duties. Not to pull a boat. Like a truck is designed for. Nice try tho.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Says everyone on a forum. Wow, you build engines. Wow.


No enlightenment needed then if you already know that a truck engine is different from a Muscle Car engine. What you said made no sense. So you were either talking out your ass or trying to trigger a reaction. It didn't work so you started with the whole "don't be defensive" and "no need to get bent out of shape" remarks. Plus the fact that an engine with truck qualities (as you put it) propels the SS faster than the "athletic" (as you put it) Mustang engine further shows how dumb the comment was. A high rev limit means nothing if you can't beat the competing car. Heck the Hellcat hits redline at 5750 and is limited to 6400. You can rev the GT all the way to 8000 RPMs if you want and it still won't have anything for that. I'll take my lazy pushrod all day over a high revving DOHC that has no power down low and couldn't even get in front of something like a 350Z if the road merged short enough. Shit by the time you get into the powerband everyone and their mother has already gotten in front of you and will go telling their buddies they kicked a GT's ass up to 40 MPH.

Calm down my man! I'm allowed to have my own opinion on things, it's OK. Some refer to the 5.0's power band as "feminime", which I don't understand how a power band of an engine can have a gender norm, but whatever. That conversation gets very wierd.

I simply called the 5.0 athletic due to it being capable of spinning/breathing at a faster rpm. That's all. Nothing even really having to do with specific power output. You have read into it way too deeply. This millennial generation way of thinking has fully penetrated society, it has everyone convinced they are a victim of something! Sheeeesh!

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[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Calm down my man! I'm allowed to have my own opinion on things, it's OK. Some refer to the 5.0's power band as "feminime", which I don't understand how a power band of an engine can have a gender norm, but whatever. That conversation gets very wierd.

I simply called the 5.0 athletic due to it being capable of spinning/breathing at a faster rpm. That's all. Nothing even really having to do with specific power output. You have read into it way too deeply. This millennial generation way of thinking has fully penetrated society, it has everyone convinced they are a victim of something! Sheeeesh!

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I like how people say stupid shit and then get called out on it and all of a sudden the people calling them out are "triggered" or a "victim". What in any of my comments led you to believe that I feel like a "victim"? I simply called you on your shit which you obviously can't back up since you turned tail from the conversation and deflected to this triggered nonsense. Again, there is nothing truck-like about the SS engine's performance capabilities. And there is nothing "athletic about a DOHC engine revving high. They're designed to rev high. Everything about the engine supports higher RPMs than a OHV engine. But it is slow off it's feet. Now it would be athletic if it revved high while making low end hp/tq like a pushrod engine. But it doesn't. it performs within it's capabilities just like a pushrod engine does. And these cars make up for the engine's weaknesses with gearing, trans gearing, tires, etc. The SS still is the faster and better performing car despite how you describe the engines. And likewise, the ZL1 destroys the GT350 despite the Shelby revving to 8250 RPMs. And the Hellcat destroys the Shelby despite having a RPM limit that is around 2000 less. I don't care how high an engine can rev if it can't propel the car fast enough. It just means the car will be screaming while being bus lengths behind.

And BTW, I'm Gen X.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by metros11

It sounds to me like you know enough to build a truck motor for your Mustang.

It's also amazing to me that GM keep taking all those victories at Laguna Seca, Watkins Glen, Sabring, Daytona (just to name a few) and even Le Mans with their Vettes that carry motor technology better suited for a truck.

For the record, I don't need to be defensive. I'm not a brand loyalist, nor am I a Mustang owner trolling a Camaro forum.

How dare you call my engine a "truck motor"! Whatch it there bud, I already said its an RV engine, but calling it a truck engine is really crossing the line! Aaaarrrrgggggghhhhh, I am so offended, I think I'm going to Hulk out!! Lol

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[BlaqWhole]

If you ask me, both of these engines are great. They make power differently and that is ok. What I think makes all the difference in the world is the package around the engine. To me the Camaro is built better as a whole car. The Mustang to me is just an excellent engine, an ok trans, and the rest is mediocre at best. The only time it gets better is when you option the hell out of it and even then it leaves much to be desired. So no matter how athletic people think the engine is, it will be hampered down by the rest of the car. My 15 GT for example. The engine was phenomenal. But they choked it off with the GT IM, they threw shitty axles on it, it got shitty tires, and the PP with 3.73 gears spun too much while the 3.31 geared GTs felt like a dog. Once you threw an IM and some headers with a tune on it was when it came alive. But then you still had the gearing and suspension to deal with. It was too much to mod just to keep up. The 18s are better but they still lag behind the SS.

[Bluecyclone]

Wow.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well the main difference is that the Trackhawk is a SUV...not a truck. The other difference is that the Trackhawk was more designed FOR THE TRACK. Hence the name "TRACKhawk". It was designed with an emphasis on luxury and track duties. Not to pull a boat. Like a truck is designed for. Nice try tho.

how bout this one?
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...take-road-test

no boat pulling? emphasis on track duty?

I can produce plenty of other examples. some motors dont need modification to perform well in a truck. the LS7 would make a poor truck motor compared to the LT1.

[jmackisback]

You guys need to go back under your bridges. Are the Rustang forums that boring? Take your boasting about 12.5 second athletic cars elsewhere. I know it's upsetting today a "truck engine" car is faster than the latest and greatest from Ford, but hey... They might get it right with the next generation in a few years.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

how bout this one?
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...take-road-test

no boat pulling? emphasis on track duty?

I can produce plenty of other examples. some motors dont need modification to perform well in a truck. the LS7 would make a poor truck motor compared to the LT1.

FYI: LS7 and LT1 torque curve are nearly identical at engine speeds < 4000. I'm failing to see why higher torque/power at low engine speed is a bad thing.

What's your prediction for this specific head2head... which one will cross the 1/4 mile mark first?