[LS6-M22]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The LT1 is more expensive than the 5.0 Coyote by a healthy margin and they both weigh the same. But I do agree that the LT1 is not low tech.

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Not if you compare the LT1 to the new DI/PI gen 3 coyote. Now take an LS3 motor and its the least expensive of all three

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Here are a couple of other magazine reviews:

Car and Driver finished up their long term test after 40,000 miles in a manual 2016 Camaro and it ran a 12.3 sec @ 118 mph in their testing.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rm-test-review

MotorTrend in their initial review did a 12.3 sec @ 116.1 also in a manual

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...t-test-review/

Great but I am looking for low 12s or high 11s, so far we have a 12:21 on the table.

[kttxz06]

smh. More Mustang fanboys saying a tune/fuel/tire will slay the Zl1. Go away

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The LT1 is more expensive than the 5.0 Coyote by a healthy margin and they both weigh the same. But I do agree that the LT1 is not low tech.

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For a little bit more than the LT1, you can buy an LT376/535 crate engine from Chevy, which is an LT1 with ported heads and a hot cam. It puts out 535 HP, and is about $1600 or so more than the LT1.

If my LT1 ever blows up (not that I want it to), I might just put that in my SS.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

smh. More Mustang fanboys saying a tune/fuel/tire will slay the Zl1. Go away

...where?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Great but I am looking for low 12s or high 11s, so far we have a 12.21 on the table.

That's correct. Hot Rod ran 12.21 automatic and 12.40 manual. Is 12.21 low 12s? I recall 12.9 being "deep 12s" for the 15-17 GT a while ago according to the fans.

Isn't the best 18 GT A10 time 12.6 at the moment?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by hotlap

That's correct. Hot Rod ran 12.21 automatic and 12.40 manual. Is 12.21 low 12s? I recall 12.9 being "deep 12s" for the 15-17 GT a while ago according to the fans.

Isn't the best 18 GT A10 time 12.6 at the moment?

No it is 11:80s also by HotRod

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by newmoon

No it is 11:80s also by HotRod

Yeah, 11.868.


DEEEEP 11's LOLOL

[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm curious has any publication review run an SS into the 11s, how about a very low 12? Any? or do we simply have to take the word of private owners that their car is 100% stock and has done so?

Changing the subject lol!

Aside from the car that was sent from FORD to the company they preps them for the MEDIA that was then run at a track rental with Evan Smith behind the wheel. Has anyone aside from this car run a 11 second pass bone stock with all the mineshaft DA going on right now?


I mean EVAN did set the stock record in the LS Camaro back in 99 that still hasn't been beat. So if the Edmund click off a 12.6 and Evan managed a 11.8..... And most mags have run 12.2-12.3 from a A8 6th gen... hell with a Gm sent car to a company that preps for the MEDIA at a track rental... pssssft 11.7..................

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by LS6-M22

Not if you compare the LT1 to the new DI/PI gen 3 coyote. Now take an LS3 motor and its the least expensive of all three

Maybe not, but I haven't seen what the new Gen3 Coyote goes for. As for the LS3, that's an old platform now. May as well compare my 351w.

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[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

Changing the subject lol!

Aside from the car that was sent from FORD to the company they preps them for the MEDIA that was then run at a track rental with Evan Smith behind the wheel. Has anyone aside from this car run a 11 second pass bone stock with all the mineshaft DA going on right now?


I mean EVAN did set the stock record in the LS Camaro back in 99 that still hasn't been beat. So if the Edmund click off a 12.6 and Evan managed a 11.8..... And most mags have run 12.2-12.3 from a A8 6th gen... hell with a Gm sent car to a company that preps for the MEDIA at a track rental... pssssft 11.7..................

No, I do not think any other 100% stock 18 has even sniffed 11's.

You can tell things aren't going well in Ford land, because they have hung their hat on this hero run. They even started a BRAND NEW thread about it today. There is just nothing else to support their dreams of a stock 11 second GT, so they have convinced themselves this is 'normal' and 'repeatable'.

We all think what Evan did is impressive, but it's him that impresses and not the GT. Don't get me wrong the 18 is fast, not even Evan could get it in to the 11's if it wasn't.

It is like we have been saying, its fast and competitive now.....an SS killer it is NOT.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Maybe not, but I haven't seen what the new Gen3 Coyote goes for. As for the LS3, that's an old platform now. May as well compare my 351w.

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Whats the cost comparison of the LT1 and the Gen 2 Coyote? Drastic?

I bet your Mach 1 is awesome to drive! There is a real thrill, fear of death maybe, about driving a car like that with little to no nannies or safety equipment. Just you and the car.

Would love an old fastback Mustang!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

No it is 11:80s also by HotRod

Gotcha. The Evan Smith (of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine) run. I hadn't heard that he published it at Hot Rod.

So Hot Rod ran 12.2 with the A8 SS and the average owner run is 12.1.

Do you predict the average A10 GT is going to run 11.7? If not, what?

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The LT1 is more expensive than the 5.0 Coyote by a healthy margin and they both weigh the same. But I do agree that the LT1 is not low tech.

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Yep I've always found that quad cam V8 were cheap to produce

Lets see... bout the same cost for the short block..
OK, valve train one cam and 16 lifters and one chain, single guide vs FOUR cams, 32 roller finger deals, 3 chains and looks to be about 5 guides. I'm going to call this in favor of the LT1. Heads, lets see basic small 2 v heads here nothing fancy about the valves or springs vs HUGE massive heads with 4 sets of cam bearing surfaces, 32 valve seats, expensive and small springs, bet they are dual so 64 of them, twice as many guides and seats to machine, twice as many valve seals, just think of the 8 cam seals on the Ford ouch, two cam phasers, 4 cam gears... Twin entry manifold cause 4V have no innate swirl, meaning problems, so the Ford intake is way more expensive, oh and dual inject, yep two sets of injectors.. ouch. GM header, well it is cast on the Vette, but the Camaro some cheapo short tube, for the mustang that is a bag of snakes, that is what happens why one tries to fit that HUGE external sized engine into a car. I though I read the Ford of Europe's 5.0 was down like 5 HP cause the header does not fit. Yep all barging basement stuff there. Rebuild time... never happen.

Plus we are talking GM's first direct inject V8 across all lines, for Ford, the design cost is only on the Mustang and F150 base chassis. Second Ford did the 5.0, then the Boss, then the Gen 2, then the GT 350, and now Gen 3 vs GM's FIRST go at it. The cost of design of a more versatile "low tech" engine able to be used across many vehicle lines with (so far) ZERO redesign cost. The GM V8 starting with the LS1 has been put into the midsize pickup, the impala all the way up to the Vette 4.8 to 7.0 NA to forced induction (noy to mention 2 cylinders cut off for a 4.3 V6),,. And no my GM's V8 never did puke out the spark plugs just by looking at them..