[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

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He said they "would have" claimed those things. And I agree. We certainly saw it. All the trolls that were posting videos of the Mustang doing this or that when we had tons of videos of Camaros running faster times. Why do you even think they were coming over here en masse like they were? It certainly wasn't to brag that the GT was AS fast...they were trying to brag that it would be faster. And the very fact that they disappeared after being proven wrong shows that they thought it would beat the SS. Too bad, too sad.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

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I captured thisquote from M6G on Dec 25 that pretty much sums up the troll tone here before Edmunds and C&D. It has slowed down since with this fello being a little "slow" to figure things out.

The GT was going to show the Stingray... A real killer.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

Oh please. A month or so ago all the FF (Ford Fanboys) would have claimed they were going to win virtually all categories. It's only due to info in the recent weeks that reality is starting to set in for you guys...MY18 GT is a big improvement from the previous years, but nowhere near what was hoped/hyped.

And you base this on what? Are you dismissing any run which shows the car to be as advertised and focusing only on the single review? We can do the same for the SS you know.

Here are a few SS examples:

MT- 12.4
C&D 12.5
Automobile Mag 12.5/12.3
HotRod - 12.2
Autoweek 12.7
Road & Track 12.4
SuperChevy 12.5

Here are a few GT examples: (although very limited reviews in thus far)

C&D 12.6
HotRod 11:86

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And you base this on what? Are you dismissing any run which shows the car to be as advertised and focusing only on the single review which still had it beating the SS it was compared to on that day? We can do the same for the SS you know, here are a few SS examples:

MT- 12.4
C&D 12.5
Automobile Mag 12.5/12.3
HotRod - 12.2
Autoweek 12.7
Road & Track 12.4
SuperChevy 12.5

Looking at the above it is safe to say the SS is a mid 12 second ride correct?

What test showed the 18 GT beating the SS? If anything they clearly said the SS was the faster of the two in a quarter mile. And that was the manual trans SS against the A10 GT. We all know the A8 SS is faster than the manual trans SS. So what does that tell you? But for now I'll back off on that assertion since it is speculation. But where did you see that the GT was faster?

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I captured thisquote from M6G on Dec 25 that pretty much sums up the troll tone here before Edmunds and C&D. It has slowed down since with this fello being a little "slow" to figure things out.

The GT was going to show the Stingray... A real killer.

HAHAHAHAHAHA...classic Ford Fanboy! Faster than the C7, I almost fell out of my freaking chair.

These boys are over there sucking their thumbs right now, calling their moms hoping to be comforted. But Mommy, I so wanted it to be faster!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

What test showed the 18 GT beating the SS? If anything they clearly said the SS was the faster of the two in a quarter mile. And that was the manual trans SS against the A10 GT. We all know the A8 SS is faster than the manual trans SS. So what does that tell you? But for now I'll back off on that assertion since it is speculation. But where did you see that the GT was faster?

Sorry fixed it, you are right I thought a head to head was done by C&D same day, it was not my bad. But this doesn't change the fact that looking at the test results for the Camaro while taking the unverified independent hero runs out of the discussion, publication reviews show that the SS is on average a mid 12-sec ride. Can the GT do the same.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Sorry fixed it, you are right I thought a head to head was done by C&D same day, it was not my bad. But this doesn't change the fact that looking at the test results for the Camaro while taking the unverified independent hero runs out of the discussion, publication reviews show that the SS is on average a mid 12-sec ride. Can the GT do the same.

All day!

I think what you are getting at, and what this forum was telling the trolls, is that it is too early to make a fair comparison on these cars.

Its funny now, but "let's wait and see" is the new tune instead of "The '18 will dominate all". Funny how more tests results have quieted the trolls.

Most people here were only encouraged and inflated by the trolls insanely bold claims that were clearly made too soon, and based on hero runs.

The crow must taste awful. I hope the '18 making it a drivers race is enough for the Fanboys, but based on what I have seen it is most certainly not enough for them. I think that is solely based on over-inflated expectations driven by a few ignorant Fanboys. The fact that the '18 is a MUCH better car overall than the '15-'17 is getting overshadowed by the fact that it still is not faster than the SS.

The fact is, the Alpha is too good for the S550 to compete with all things equal. That does not make the S550 any less awesome for what it it, BUT I am worried the new price structure is outside the Mustang's wheel house. High priced GT's wont sell well at all. Bring on the heavy discounts!

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And you base this on what?

Reality.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

All day!

I think what you are getting at, and what this forum was telling the trolls, is that it is too early to make a fair comparison on these cars.

Its funny now, but "let's wait and see" is the new tune instead of "The '18 will dominate all". Funny how more tests results have quieted the trolls.

Most people here were only encouraged and inflated by the trolls insanely bold claims that were clearly made too soon, and based on hero runs.

The crow must taste awful. I hope the '18 making it a drivers race is enough for the Fanboys, but based on what I have seen it is most certainly not enough for them. I think that is solely based on over-inflated expectations driven by a few ignorant Fanboys. The fact that the '18 is a MUCH better car overall than the '15-'17 is getting overshadowed by the fact that it still is not faster than the SS.

The fact is, the Alpha is too good for the S550 to compete with all things equal. That does not make the S550 any less awesome for what it it, BUT I am worried the new price structure is outside the Mustang's wheel house. High priced GT's wont sell well at all. Bring on the heavy discounts!

The 18 GT is much better! The unrealistic expectations from the fans comes from the fact that they never accepted that the 15-17 GT wasn't even in the same league. They believe its a drivers race when in fact they are a minimum of 0.5 sec apart in the 1/4 and a V6-1LE is faster on a road course than a GT PP.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by hotlap

and a V6-1LE is faster on a road course than a GT PP.

So now comparisons using tests that weren't on the same day, same ..(etc) are valid?

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

So now comparisons using tests that weren't on the same day, same ..(etc) are valid?

How far apart was the V6 1LE and the GT PP when C&D did their lightning lap runs?

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

So now comparisons using tests that weren't on the same day, same ..(etc) are valid?

On M6G is sure as hell is. There is a dedicated thread to JUST that.

The truth is, the Camaro is good enough that almost any comparison to the Mustang swings its way. No need to skew results etc. While it isn't kosher to compare test not same day, the world outside M6G knows the results.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The 18 GT is much better! The unrealistic expectations from the fans comes from the fact that they never accepted that the 15-17 GT wasn't even in the same league. They believe its a drivers race when in fact they are a minimum of 0.5 sec apart in the 1/4 and a V6-1LE is faster on a road course than a GT PP.

Yup, they created their own snowball effect by refusing to come to reality.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

So now comparisons using tests that weren't on the same day, same ..(etc) are valid?

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

How far apart was the V6 1LE and the GT PP when C&D did their lightning lap runs?

1.2 seconds difference. But like Speed is implying, not done in the same year. It should be noted the Focus RS ran a better time than the '15 GT PP too, and was almost identical to the LT 1LE's time. Does anyone not believe the RS is faster than a '15 GT PP?